I didn't watch the movie (and I'm not going to) but I did go to the discussion board where it gave the main points of the theory, the first of which was that the stones of the GP were made artificially. This is Davidovits' theory rehashed. The second point was that they used a metric system based on the diameter of water droplets of 1 cm. (Ha! Wrong!) The third point was that they
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Kanga
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Ancient Egypt
WVK Wrote:
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> "This image of incomplete andesite PP stone shows
> that it was formed by pounding and grinding and
> was never completed - falsifying the idea if was
> 'poured' "
>
> So therefore that applies to all of them?
Yes unless you can by a case by case study prove otherwise. Remember I
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Hans
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Ancient History
In addition, there is this.
Geopolymer in South-American monuments:
two scientific papers published 28 Oct 2018
And these papers:
Davidovits, J., Huaman, L. and Davidovits, R., 2019a.
Ancient geopolymer in south-American monument.
SEM and petrographic evidence. Materials Letters,
235, pp.120-124.
Davidovits, J., Huaman, L. and Davidovits, R., 2019b.
Ancient organo-min
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Paul H.
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Ancient History
Oh no, it is too surreal----I just posted on Stefen Erdmann being tied to the Bosnian Pyramids…now this with Hancock and Turkey (ala Schoch, JAW and Bauval –they ALL have been at one time or another - in the recent past and at present time promoting tours to Turkey saying IT is the real lost ancient civilization ……..I had been thinking some where in my mind that Graham was hanging out with Semi
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Colette
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Ancient History
Martin Stower Wrote:
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Thanks for the quote..... I got this book from the library this morning and as always I first look up diorite and schist and see how badly they mangle it..... wasn't at all surprised.
>Would you believe that
>Temple castigates Vyse for self-promotion?
Well, the sky is blue after all...... unlike t
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Archae Solenhofen
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Ancient Egypt
On pp. 248-9, we are told about Davidovits, including:
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There are only five people in the world at the moment who really understand this technology: Joseph , three of his sons, and myself. I have been involved with Joseph in business for eleven years, introducing environmentally friendly geopolymeric cement technology and obtaining international patents on the technology. Joseph has also
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Martin Stower
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Ancient Egypt
Katherine Reece Wrote:
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> I suggested on the previous thread (or somewhere
> else here, too damned confusing now) to Cladking
> that he should check out Frank Doernenburg's site.
That was this post.
> He claimed he couldn't find it.
(I think that there are sometimes problems with the spelling of Frank'
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Hermione
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Ancient Egypt
I suggested on the previous thread (or somewhere else here, too damned confusing now) to Cladking that he should check out Frank Doernenburg's site. He claimed he couldn't find it. For those who might wish to find it easily in the future, it's under our web links in the Egyptology section.
Frank does an excellent job of breaking down the issues regarding sled friction, ramp
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Katherine Reece
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Ancient Egypt
Hi Khazar-khum,
For anyone with construction experience in it would be evident that rocks more than 5/8 inch would be an unsuitable as a building material for the ramps, as it would crush into smaller and smaller pieces under the load weights placed on the ramps. I guess to clean up they crushed the gravel from the ramps to use as a building material like the cast limestone blocks that are sup
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Sirfiroth
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Ancient Egypt
Thanks for this update, Archae.
(List of previous mentions of Davidovits on HoM).
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Hermione
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Ancient Egypt
Here is the location of the area where Dr. Davidovits apparently obtained the limestone sample at Giza for his disintegrating rock experiment cut out or whatever from the NOVA program "This Old Pyramid" in 1991. Claims about certain rocks at Giza disintegrating into loose sediments are discussed on the Geopolymer Institute's website and in a number of books and research papers over
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Archae Solenhofen
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Ancient Egypt
I seem to remember something posted as building evidence by the Concrete Pyramid theory(Davidovits), but it was probably unreliable.
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Rich
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Ancient Egypt
Anthony Wrote:
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> I found there to be sufficient information to
> establish and reinforce a spiritual worldview.
> Why are you relying on 40 year old books when
> there are ones published in the last five that
> have much of the latest discoveries?
I have access to these.
There have been no revolutionary changes
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cladking
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Ancient Egypt
cladking Wrote:
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> I keep running into authors who think there's
> nothing surviving
> from the old kingdom. I think I previously
> mentioned that I. M.
> Diakonoff says about as much in his book "Early
> Antiquity". To-
> day I was able to obtain "Ancient Near Eastern
> Texts" -Pri
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Anthony
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Ancient Egypt
I know that there has been much dispute over the geopolymer theory of Dr. Davidovits regarding the pouring of stone blocks used in the construction of Egyptian pyramids. It seems to me, however, that Davidovts' proposal that some of the AE stone vessels could have been crafted using a geopolymer technique is both culturally appropriate (i.e., an ingenious use of available materials) and cred
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L Cooper
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Ancient Egypt
I think Dr. Davidovits needs to give a credible explanation as to why no one else can find the zeolites his analysis apparently discovered in the Lauer sample.
7mb Pdf file:
Jana, D. (2007) The Great Pyramid Debate: Evidence from detailed petrographic examinations of casing stones from the Great Pyramid of Khufu, a natural limestone from Tura, and a man-made (geopolymeric) limestone. Proc
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Archae Solenhofen
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Ancient Egypt
Nothing really surprising in this presentation. In our previous dialogue, I've said Barsoum already discredited Davidovits science. And so does this one. Kaolin Clay is not the glue. Also, without using Aluminum-based glues like Kaolin Clay, we can definitively rule out geopolymers.
So either the rock is natural (99% chance), or a different formula is needed (1% chance). (These number
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rich
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Ancient Egypt
Anthony,
Remember it's a moving target. Davidovits claimed multiple repairs at different times... and Barsoum claimed that parts of it were carved, while other parts were not. One picture may not be good enough to kill this theory. As I said, the case has not been made by the theorists... if you've got something to show though, we'll all look. These pyramids are pretty well p
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rich
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Ancient Egypt
Collete,
Here is my take. I am ok with the concept of a concrete pyramid. However, Davidovits and Morris and Barsoum have not made the scientific case.
For 20 years, Davidovits was claiming he could make a pyramid with "Kaolin Clay" as the substitute for "Pozzolanic Ash". Last year, Barsoum, who was working with Davidovits published a paper saying there was no "Kao
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rich
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Ancient Egypt
The "Geopolymer" method for ancient building construction has nothing whatsoever to do with science, history or Egyptology. It has been discussed here at length in the distant past, but I'm afraid most of those discussions are now in server back up somewhere.
The proponents, especially Davidovits' publicist Margaret Morris, have been unable to answer some of the most simpl
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Anthony
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Ancient Egypt
Colette Wrote:
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>I have a question, I have been reading up on the
>geopolymer method of construction. That which is a
>mix of aggregate and lime to create a conglomerate
>and then mold a block in place. Haul the dry
>ingredients up to where you need it and make your
>mix.
>I have much material that was sent to m
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Archae Solenhofen
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Ancient Egypt
Hello, thank you.
I think I can get some of the lab work of Joseph Davidovits..............the exterior blocks I think are cut, but, the internal ones that are not visible may have been formed. I will see what all I can get. This has been a process of learning for me and developing a relationship with this person. I have made comments and questioned some things and got answers, From what I un
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Colette
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Ancient Egypt
I have a question, I have been reading up on the geopolymer method of construction. That which is a mix of aggregate and lime to create a conglomerate and then mold a block in place. Haul the dry ingredients up to where you need it and make your mix.
I have much material that was sent to me. I was wondering if any one is aware of this theory of the geopolymer method of construction and how it
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Colette
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Ancient Egypt
creigs1707 Wrote:
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> RC: Show me evidence of mixing and molding
> cement,...
>
> SC:
>
> The pair used X-rays, a plasma torch and electron
> microscopes to compare small fragments from
> pyramids with stone from the Toura and Maadi
> quarries.
>
> They found “traces of a rapid chemical reactio
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Ronald
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Ancient History
This is a group of slide with my comments from a couple of other posts from another thread, which may be of interest.
Interesting, but the now exposed top course of the GP does not look much different than the masonry in Vyse's hole in the image Figure 6a below that's insinuated to be natural.
Top of GP:
Great picture showing the degree of erosion on the GP for those wh
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Archae Solenhofen
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Ancient History
RC: Show me evidence of mixing and molding cement,...
SC:
The pair used X-rays, a plasma torch and electron microscopes to compare small fragments from pyramids with stone from the Toura and Maadi quarries.
They found “traces of a rapid chemical reaction which did not allow natural crystalisation .
The reaction would be inexplicable if the stones were quarried, but perfectly compr
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Ancient History
rich Wrote:
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> "By the way, not a single block is the same, so,
> there were thousands of moulds ?"
> -- Ronald,
>My recollection is that Davidovits has claimed
>something like 12(or 20?) different moulds. I
>haven't been able to locate the source, so maybe
>my memory is faulty. Thousands of mould
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Archae Solenhofen
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Ancient History
rich Wrote:
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> "By the way, not a single block is the same, so,
> there were thousands of moulds ?"
> -- Ronald,
> My recollection is that Davidovits has claimed
> something like 12(or 20?) different moulds. I
> haven't been able to locate the source, so maybe
> my memory is faulty. Thousands of m
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Ronald
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Ancient History
"By the way, not a single block is the same, so, there were thousands of moulds ?"
-- Ronald,
My recollection is that Davidovits has claimed something like 12(or 20?) different moulds. I haven't been able to locate the source, so maybe my memory is faulty. Thousands of moulds would seem to be a disqualifier. I will research this. If I don't find it I will let you know.
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rich
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Ancient History
rich Wrote:
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> Roxanne,
> "clear signs of quarrying"
> -- Note: Barsoum has changed Davidovits theory to
> part carved, part cast.
>
> "no trace of casting cement"
> -- I don't know. I was just giving an example of
> 1 hole in the carving theory... just as you have
> given 1 hole
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Ronald
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Ancient History