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August 24, 2011 12:18PM
Katherine Reece Wrote:
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> I suggested on the previous thread (or somewhere
> else here, too damned confusing now) to Cladking
> that he should check out Frank Doernenburg's site.

That was this post.

> He claimed he couldn't find it.

(I think that there are sometimes problems with the spelling of Frank's name ... )

> For those who
> might wish to find it easily in the future, it's
> under our web links in the Egyptology section.

Here ...

> Frank does an excellent job of breaking down the
> issues regarding sled friction, ramp construction,
> and how much manpower was required. Well worth
> the time to read through the four pages on
> construction. The fifth page concerns the
> Davidovits' geopolymer idea and not a part of this
> current discussion.

Hermione
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New considerations on construction methods of the Ancient Egyptian pyramid: Part 2

Hermione August 24, 2011 08:47AM

New considerations on construction methods of the Ancient Egyptian pyramid: Part 2

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Warning, spoiler alert... some of the math...

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Pics of the Pyramids

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Jammer August 25, 2011 03:41PM

Ramps or no ramps! that is the quesion?

Sirfiroth August 24, 2011 10:43PM

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cladking August 24, 2011 11:31PM

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Sirfiroth August 25, 2011 08:42AM

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cladking August 25, 2011 10:06AM

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Archae Solenhofen August 25, 2011 10:28AM

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cladking August 25, 2011 10:38AM

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cladking August 25, 2011 11:22AM

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Sirfiroth August 25, 2011 10:47AM

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Archae Solenhofen August 25, 2011 11:06AM

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Katherine Reece August 25, 2011 11:16AM

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Archae Solenhofen August 25, 2011 11:36AM

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cladking August 25, 2011 11:38AM

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Chris Tedder August 25, 2011 11:43AM

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Greg Reeder August 25, 2011 11:55AM

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cladking August 25, 2011 12:20PM

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Tommi Huhtamaki August 25, 2011 12:51PM

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cladking August 25, 2011 02:33PM

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Katherine Reece August 25, 2011 03:08PM

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Jammer August 25, 2011 03:34PM

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Tommi Huhtamaki August 25, 2011 03:41PM

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cladking August 25, 2011 04:49PM

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Sirfiroth August 25, 2011 05:14PM

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Jammer August 26, 2011 10:36AM

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Sirfiroth August 26, 2011 01:05PM

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cladking August 26, 2011 04:24PM

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Tommi Huhtamaki August 25, 2011 11:47AM

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Katherine Reece August 25, 2011 02:31PM

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cladking August 25, 2011 02:41PM

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Khazar-khum August 25, 2011 03:25PM

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cladking August 25, 2011 05:08PM

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Khazar-khum August 25, 2011 05:22PM

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Jammer August 26, 2011 11:37AM

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Tommi Huhtamaki August 26, 2011 12:17PM

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Jammer August 26, 2011 12:41PM

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Khazar-khum August 26, 2011 01:28PM

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cladking August 26, 2011 04:31PM

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Jammer August 25, 2011 12:54PM

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Sirfiroth August 25, 2011 05:04PM

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Archae Solenhofen August 26, 2011 09:33AM

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Hans August 26, 2011 12:04PM

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Katherine Reece August 26, 2011 06:28PM

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cladking August 26, 2011 04:43PM

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Hermione August 27, 2011 01:49AM



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