"Statement 3: Davidovits claims "the wheel" was not yet invented in Egypt.
Response 3: His theory is predicated on the invention of Pottery, and hence the "Pottery WHEEL". "
A pottery wheel is not a similar machine to a stand alone wheel for transport.
This response is fallacious, and is really just a play on words - and English words at that.
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Dave L
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Joseph Davidovits and Margaret Morris started this debate. The geopolymer website is pretty unclear. I am "pretty familiar" with their theory... and will attempt to restart this debate. First, there are many errors in their arguments. Second, they are poorly presented. Third, I am not endorsing or promoting whether the pyramids were made of concrete or not, but I wish to re-introdu
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rich
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The French "team" had quite a publicist, too: Margaret Morris.
In fact, they were found going around to various blogs, posting under pseudonyms, then showing up as themselves, in person, and engaging in "constructive discussions" about the merits of their ideas... WITH THEMSELVES!
Davidovits gave himself away one day when he accidentally left his sig at the bottom of a
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Anthony
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John Hoopes Wrote:
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> I'm confused. The NYT article by John Noble
> Wilford, who's one of the most experienced and
> savvy science writers in the U.S., says the
> research was done by Michel W. Barsoum, a
> professor of materials engineering at Drexel
> University in Philadelphia. Was there another
> s
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Katherine Reece
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Both this report and Morris used the 'Lauer Sample', given to Davidovits by J P Lauer and from the Ascending Passsage. Barsoum et al also have something from the outer casing, the source may be in the journal article.
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Doug Weller
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Katherine Reece Wrote:
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> Concrete Pyramid an 'insult'
>
>
>
> "How did the French take samples for their tests
> without the Egyptians' permission?" *That* is a
> good question!
>
There are chunks of the pyramid floating all over the world... even Davidovits had some that he t
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Anthony
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That is certainly interesting as his idea sidesteps some of the problems with the Davidovits theory.
I do find it odd that the Egyptians didn't slop some of this liquid material around, leaving traces of it and that they would use it only at Giza and not elsewhere. I wish his name wasn't Barsoum - a bit to close to literary Barsoom!
Doug what is the history of concrete in Egypt?
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Hans
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This is a post from sci.archaeology by a friend, I will post the whole thing:
>An actual study by an actual professor of materials management suggests
>some of the stones in the Great yramid might have been cast. This will
>be published in the December issue of The Journal of the American
>Ceramic Society. Anyone have access?
>From the New York Time article: (Free
>re
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Doug Weller
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Ancient History
"That's going to cause problems for Davidovits..."
well it does leave one with the unfortunately accurate parallel to draw
ie the whole idea being a pile of "Pyramid"
Warwick
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Warwick L Nixon
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Extruded?
Ah, so it was the Dinosaurs that invented geopolymers. That's going to cause problems for Davidovits...
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Anthony
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Ancient History
The page where I come to the same conclusions is from 95 :-) And I have some nice piccies on my page..
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Frank D
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Ancient History
"the mere fact that the limestone blocks do not appear to have any uniform shape, especially in the core but also in the casing, would tend to argue against a casting theory—unless each block had its own wooden mold, and these were not built to any uniform pattern, which in our view would make no sense. Besides which there are too many anomalous shapes on the core blocks which would not be c
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Chris O-H
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One of the things being argued about the alleged Bosnian pyramids seems to be that they are made of molded concrete blocks. Davidovits has argued for a long time that this is the case for the Egyptian pyramids. Is there any definitive proof he is wrong?
Bart gave us a link to a Dutch paper but it needs translation:
Doug
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Doug Weller
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I've told someone Barakat is not a recognised expert on Egyptian pyramids. Does anyone think he is?
And I've been told two Melbourne geophysicists patented the geopolymer process that Davidovits claims was used in the pyramids, anyone know anything about that story?
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Doug Weller
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I can't be bothered to look that closely.
It's like trying to verify the existence of seashells at Giza to show that Davidovits is right. What's the point?
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Anthony
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Well, except for its humour value, this was hardly worth the researcher's time to do the testing.
You see, when you have to blatantly lie to set up your audience, you really don't deserve to be heard out. Blaauw, who did the work, is clearly trying to present the Davidovits theory in its best light to justify his testing of the stone. Make no mistake... the geopolymer theory has
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Anthony
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Tell us something we don't know, Bart....lol.
Any chance of this thing showing up in English anywhere?
Davidovits' methodology was so flawed, it became the poster-child for BAD historical theorizing.
It even spawned this little ditty by somebody that used to post here quite frequently and is now very missed:
The Final Word on Pyramid Construction.
Enjoy!
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Anthony
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Ancient History
An article in Dutch describes a number of experiments done on a piece of stone from inside the pyramid of Cheops. It shows that it is not poured, disproving the theory of Davidovits.
The PDF file is at:
The journal is at:
With kind regards,
Bart
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Bart
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"Unless you're a follower of Dr. Davidovits, the "poured block" idea is ludicrous."
I have wondered why, if the Egyptians made concrete blocks to build the pyramids, why they did'nt just pour layer upon layer to build it????????????
A much less time & labour consuming task.
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Rubberdown
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lobo-hotei Wrote:
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> Anthony Wrote:
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> > His "grooved" method is only useful if the
> blocks
> > have identical dimensions. They do not, so
> it's
> > worthless.
>
> Actually they only have to be close and the blocks
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Anthony
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Anthony Wrote:
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> His "grooved" method is only useful if the blocks
> have identical dimensions. They do not, so it's
> worthless.
Actually they only have to be close and the blocks had to be close in height. If the blocks were cut with leveling in mind, which it was, the blocks could be rolled across a frame w
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lobo-hotei
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His "grooved" method is only useful if the blocks have identical dimensions. They do not, so it's worthless.
It only works on his identically cast poured blocks. Unless you're a follower of Dr. Davidovits, the "poured block" idea is ludicrous.
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Anthony
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Needless to say when the whole American Geological Ass. came out in support of Schoch's methodoloy it lead to a backlash that brought funding issues to bear. Then there were some of them who were encouraged to come out against both the methods and the conclusions.
Davidovits had done the evaluation in a different way based on chemistry (that is his Professorship) before Schoch did his thi
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Robert Bruce Baird
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Archae Solenhofen Wrote:
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> Morris (1991) says he did the petrographic work
> for that article and concluded that for a part of
> the GP masonry ".... it is quite possible that it
> is some form of geopolymer as defined by Dr.
> Davidovits".
If one cannot find evidence to contradict something entirely,
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Stephanie
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Stephanie Wrote:
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> Archae Solenhofen Wrote:
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>>Now were have I heard that name before... oh
>yes,
>>just did a seach of this board. That's one
>of
>>Margret Morris' 2 geologists....
>lol, Archae. He isn't one of "
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Archae Solenhofen
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Ron Whaley Wrote:
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> > Anthony writes,
>
>
> "You might wish to study a little more on the
> subject before you come charging into the room
> proclaiming you know more than everyone (or even
> anyone) involved."
>
>
> Sorry Anthony but that's exactly how you came
> across in y
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Anthony
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Unfortunately, Davidovits is the easy one to find.
www.geopolymer.org
Now I need to go wash my hands.
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Anthony
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Ancient History
I have recently added a "Alternative History of Giza" page to my website and am appealing to maatians for their favourite bookmarked alt sites. There is a fairly good chance that many will not be on my list which is to be added over the next few weeks. For starters anyone got quality links to the eccentric John Taylor or the Napoleon expedition to Egypt? Also cannot find Davidovits in
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goaten
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