<HTML>Absolutely PRICELESS!
Finally, a photo of Dr. Davidovits....
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Anthony
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<HTML>Anyone with two cerebral neurons hooked together can see you're blowing smoke. You quit in a huff - a cover for your inability to cite a source for all of the copper you'd need to cut millions of pyramid blocks. I'd guess you've now checked your books and know the copper yield was so low as to be unrealistic.
Blame your quitting on my giving you the spin by the ta
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Sandy J. Perkins
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Ancient History
<HTML>Your insults don't replace facts. And speaking of credientials I don't see you touting any that can compare to the least of those of Davidovits. And you have no room to compare any geopolymerist to von Daniken given your record in the Hall of Ma'at.
Now it's up to you to show how those mistanken cuts were made. Lucas didn't explain. Stocks didn't explain
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Sandy J. Perkins
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Ancient History
<HTML>Well, there has been about 120 years of further investigations since Petrie... his opinions about stone working were for example rejected by Hölscher in 1907, and by Lucas (1922). It is not a good idea to rely only on outdated claims...
But, hey, that's the way the von Daenikens of this world work, why should Davidovits/Morris be different?
FD :-)</HTML>
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Frank Doernenburg
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<HTML>Anthony's been criticizing geopolymerists for weeks and about a week ago on Sept.-07-he says "Well, I just read Ms. Morris' eleven posts from August 7th." How's that Anthony? Just a week ago you finally read a post?
"Dang," says Anthony who thinks he's got them now.
Strata: For strata v lift lines, Anthony ignores the Mckunney/McCloud study
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Sandy J. Perkins
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Ancient History
<HTML>Anthony's been criticizing geopolymerists for weeks and about a week ago on Sept.-07-he says "Well, I just read Ms. Morris' eleven posts from August 7th." How's that Anthony? Just a week ago you finally read a post?
"Dang," says Anthony who thinks he's got them now.
Strata: For strata v lift lines, Anthony ignores the Mckunney/McCloud study
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Sandy J. Perkins
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Ancient History
<HTML>Here's what's fair and honest - The granite cut through in a single pass can't be explained by the accepted system. It can be explained by the geopolymer model. Geopolymer's simply the most logical answer so it should be given every consideration.
There's no rule saying Davidovits has to re-create anything. He just needs to show reasonable evidence that gran
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Sandy J. Perkins
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Ancient History
<HTML>Sandy wrote:
"When Franks shows he can make a single pass through natural granite with an ancient tool, he'll be onto something. "
Okay.
When Davidovits can make a granite geopolymer... and a diorite geopolymer... and a quartzite geopolymer... and a LIMESTONE geopolymer that MATCHES the stones in the Great Pyramid both chemically AND for hardness, then HE will be o
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Anthony
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Ancient History
<HTML>>There also seem to be problems in that, and I haven't studied it in depth, it
seems that the geopolymer was used - then not - then used again ?
Yes, thats one of the big holes in logic. They stopped using cast stones in large because they used up all teir (never existing) woods to burn megatons of (never existing) lime. After this the whole thing was forgotten, but
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Frank Doernenburg
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<HTML>Fortunately, Frank, Morris & Davidovits don't have the last word on what really happened 4500 years ago.
I'm not even sure they have a rough idea.
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Anthony
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<HTML>>Does this help ?
No, not really. Morris/Davidovits have already ignored much larger callibers like Lucas/Harris (who have on p. 74 of their "Materials an Industries a whole discussion about quarz sand and greenspan found in drillholes in Alabaster)
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Frank Doernenburg
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Ancient History
<HTML>Well, I just read Ms. Morris' eleven posts from August 7th.
Dang, if that woman doesn't repeat herself constantly.
Well, here's the answer to a couple of our questions:
Q. Why is there strata in the blocks?
A. That's not strata. It's simply a natural seperation that occurs as the limestone polymer sets up.
Rebuttal: Okay... then isn't it funn
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Anthony
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Ancient History
<HTML>Since you have set yourself up as the Davidovits/Morris proxy, why don't YOU answer the questions?
Is it possibly because that in all your reading, you can't find where they answered these questions, either?
Well, wouldn't THAT be a funny little coincidence...
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Anthony
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<HTML>Well, after reading all the posts, it seem to me that Sandy has interpreted your remarks about the geopolymer pyramid scheme and put words in your mouth that extended the meaning of what you were trying to convey in a very unprofessional and insulting manner. You took these words out of context and threw them back at her. Sandy was not libeling Morris and Davidovits, as you implied, s
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Chris Dunn
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<HTML>Sandy said:
"You admit you do not even read the basic info before trying to argue it."
Sandy, this is a MAJOR misquote of ME... darn near slanderous, I would think...lol. I think I'll be sueing YOU now for making such a dishonest and libelous statement. This is an outright LIE! Fortunately for you, I don't think anyone is reading this thread anymore... except
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Anthony
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<HTML>Now this REALLY shows the way you distort facts.
You've excerpted my remarks asking you for clarification about your claims against them, and now you've taken my remarks OUT OF CONTEXT to try to use them to claim that I'm painting Davidovits et al. in a bad light. Nothing could be further from the truth. I have tremendous respect for them. Anyone who reads these posts
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Sandy J. Perkins
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<HTML>That's ridiculous. I have no ability to threaten you. I'm pointing out that you said their motive is to sell product off bogus science. That's libel because you can't prove it.
It's also a very stupid remark on your part. Since when does the FAA (or other goverrnment agency) care about the pyramid controversy? Davidovits and co. sells to industries that buy b
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Sandy J. Perkins
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<HTML>These are ALL lines -- exact quotes -- that YOU posted about Davidovits and Morris... not I.
<b>"there's deliberate falsification I don't know about"
"they are falsifying evidence to make money"
"they are the money grubbers" </b>
I'd say that if anybody around here was promoting a negative image of Morris and Davidovits...
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Anthony
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<HTML>I have just reread every post on this topic that I have made, and in no way have I EVER said ANYTHING derogatory about Morris or Davidovits.
I have suggested reasons why people would continue to debate a topic after it has been clearly shown to be pure, unadulterated BUNK... that is all.
However, watching you turn to threats instead of answering the tough questions certainly does le
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Anthony
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<HTML>Hello, John.
There have been hundreds of posts on this board describing the geopolymer theory in SEVERE depth over the last few months. You may want to take a look back.
To sum it up... you are correct about the limited observations that you have recalled. Unfortunately, most of those "coincidences" have been explained by OTHER, more plausible facts that have been disco
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Anthony
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<HTML>Yeah - I don't thing they WILL be answered because I think Davidovits/Morris CAN'T answer them (without admitting that their idea is wrong).
If I have too much time I will write what Geologists say about the metamorphic forming of quarzite/silificated sand stone :-)
To cricket: I think Douglas Adams' description is quite right... krickit, krickit :-)
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Frank Doernenburg
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<HTML>Frank Doernenburg wrote:
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> I don't think that Sandy has read or even heared of
> Lucas/harris, and I have doubts that Morris or Davidovits
> know it, either. Or if they know they ignore the basic
> informations in it.
>
> Lucas/Harris "Ancient Egyptian Materials and Inustries" is
> still THE fundamental book about Egyptian production
> tec
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Martin Stower
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<HTML>Excellent references... and imminantly logical deductions.
Rarely does technology zigzag, as Davidovits would have us believe. And quite frankly, you left out a key point...
If the blocks are a geopolymer, why did they need a SECOND geopolymer between them?
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Anthony
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<HTML>I don't think that Sandy has read or even heared of Lucas/harris, and I have doubts that Morris or Davidovits know it, either. Or if they know they ignore the basic informations in it.
Lucas/Harris "Ancient Egyptian Materials and Inustries" is still THE fundamental book about Egyptian production technique. From p. 74 on they write about plaster and mortar used in Egypt
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Frank Doernenburg
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Ancient History
<HTML>Oh, and I would advice Davidovits/morris to read what Lucas/Harris (Ancient Egyptian Materials and Industries) have to say about the usage of lime in Egypt (p. 75 ff)
Have fun :-)))
FD
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Frank Doernenburg
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<HTML>What the heck what deforestation? Egypt never had forests, therfore it never could have been deforested.
As to prodicing lime: Please take a look at the method the AEs used to produce lime. They mixed glowing charcoal with lime stone, so the lime was of a greyish black. The remains of the charcoal still can be found in the mortar they used in the pyramids (and were a source for the r
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Frank Doernenburg
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<HTML>No, because of the explanation given by Sandy. The Egyptians had FORGOTTEN the technique (therefore the pyramids are smaller), but once and then bands of stoneworkers "rediscovered" the thechnique for single advantures (selected by Davidovits & Morris) to create further marvels of geopolymer. Just to let the whole technique vanish again into oblivion. But then, at about
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Frank Doernenburg
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<HTML>Ms. Morris put up NINE PART article, if I remember correctly. .. most of it revolving around minutea and microscopic evidence. It didn't take a whole lot of reading -- just some good scanning -- to come to the conclusion that she never addressed the macroscopic issues.
Perhaps "pyramid scheme" was a strong phrase (although it was intended in a more "tongue in ch
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Anthony
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<HTML>What am I protecting, Sandy?
Let's start with "good science". Then, we can move on to "logic", and perhaps even follow up with "rational discussion."
Lastly, I think it's important to protect "integrity" as it relates to theoretical discussions. Davidovits can't keep going back and shouting about what Geopolymerization DOES e
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Anthony
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<HTML>You have hit another problem of Davidivits' story. He ha an explanation for the decline of the pyramids: The technique got lost, so the poor Egyptians had to learn how to dress stones traditionally. Therefore they could no longer build pyramides and had only shappy steone work afterwards (like Karnac, wor example :-))) )
Unfortunetely the Memnon-colossi don't fit in there,
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Frank Doernenburg
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Ancient History