<HTML>Well, I just read what Nicholson (from Nicholson/Shaw; Ancient Egyptian Materials and Technologies, the most current book about such stuff) has to say about Fayence. And again I fail to see the connection between this and making artificial lime stone. The whole fayence-thing seems to be one more red herring from Davidovits.
In short:
1. Fayence is NOT an artificial stone. It is not
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<HTML>Anthony, if you can't appreciate the bubbles then at least appreciate the self-glazing with enamel all over the surface of objects like scarabs etc. that proves beyond any possible doubt that the material early Egyptologists thought was natural sandstone is synthetic. All of Egyptology recognized this and so they had to rename the objects Egyptian faience.
Egyptian faience is no
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<HTML>This is from a Morris post I've quoted above.
Can we find out what the temperature IS for the artificial faience?
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Joseph Davidovits produces Egyptian faience with a geopolymeric formula that contains no clay. The chemical analyses of Davidovits’s reproductions match those of the Egyptian faience analyzed by Le'Chatelier. The geopolymeric chemistry also requires
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<HTML>Although it can be shown that the AE's had the ability to create a synthetic stone-like material, they apparently used HEAT to create the finished product.
Now, is Davidovits able to make faience WITHOUT heat?
I'm going to see if I can find it anywhere.
Anthon</HTML>
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<HTML>Sandy...
Do I have this info correct?
"Synthetic Sandstone:
While Dr. Joseph Davidovits is the first to re-create the synthetic rocks of ancient Egypt, Henry Le'Chatelier (1850-1935) was the first to discover that the Egyptians made synthetic stone. In Le'Chatelier's day, Egyptologists thought that the sandstone agglomerate today called Egyptian faience was natu
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<HTML>Some zeolites occur in nature and certain synthetic zeolites have no natural analog.
Certain zeolites may rarely be found in limestone. However, the zeolite in pyramid stone is Zk20.
Zk20 is made by geopolymerization. It doesn't occur in limestone and is made when natron is reacted with organic ammonium, the latter of which can come from animal sacrifices.
Compare Clement of
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<HTML>Anthony, there's a chapter in Margaret Morris's The Egyptian Pyramid Mystery Is Solved! The chapter is titled Building with Geopolymer which I already mentioned with regard to your "goop" questions. This chapter does cover your present questions and several others. When I read it I was impressed by how much work was involved in building the Great Pyramid even with
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<HTML>Some zeolites occur in nature and certain synthetic zeolites have no natural analog.
Certain zeolites may rarely be found in limestone. However, the zeolite in pyramid stone is Zk20.
Zk20 is made by geopolymerization. It doesn't occur in limestone and is made when natron is reacted with organic ammonium, the latter of which can come from animal sacrifices.
Compare Clement of
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<HTML>Chris,
Dr. Davidovits has demonstrated that geopolymers create extremely flat surfaces such as those you measured.
According to the info I have "Dr. Davidovits worked with precision casters to make several molds for aeronautical applications that were extremely precise. One of the licencees cast geopolymeric toolings for 3D precision computer-assisted measurements as a replacem
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<HTML>Sandy J
A dictionary definition of synthetic, from a chemistry viewpoint.
Chemistry. Formation of a compound from simpler compounds or elements
Using this definition, all chemical elements are synthetic, that includes naturally occuring zeolites.
Synthetic does not mean deliberately manufactured design.
zk2O,(zeolite with potassium oxide) zeolites are found in clays, clays make ce
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sandy
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<HTML>Group hug: I'm in.
Throwing in the towel: If I get stumped I'll admit it. With science it's normal for there to be more questions than answers and that doesn't make a theory wrong. I've given you my summary of the powerful way the theory solves so many sticky issues all in one swoop -- and don't forget that guys with the microscopes and a whole career un
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<HTML>Sandy J. Perkins wrote:
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> Sandy, geopolymerization produces synthetic zeolites.
> Davidovits's products are zeolitic.
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Through this process, I have been under the impression that zeolites ONLY occurred synthetically.
How do we know they're synthetic?
I found this copy at a site:
<b>"St. Cloud Mining Company has emerged as the largest pr
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Anthony
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<HTML>Sandy,
So I understand...
Davidovits' contention is that the geopolymer does not RELY on zeolites, but produces them as a bi-product of the geopolymerization process?
Hence, what we would use as a catalyst or agent, was actually merely a residual matter left over?
Anthony</HTML>
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Anthony
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<HTML>Anthony, I'll accept your apology. And I'll offer you mine if I've hurt your feelings or somehow brought your machine struggle too close for comfort.
I'm not going to answer all of your post to which this responds because I don't see the need.
But I'll say this. If you've discovered a principle you should not worry about what anybody thinks or abou
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<HTML>Claire,
Yeah, he was a little strong in those posts...
but nothing compared to my conduct PRIOR to those posts.
I think Sandy was pretty justified at that point, as the temperature in the room had gone up pretty far... to the best of my recollection.
In all honesty, I think the problem occurred when Sandy J. jumped into the middle of a heated geopolymer-bashing thread, and was tak
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Anthony
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<HTML>Sandy, geopolymerization produces synthetic zeolites. Davidovits's products are zeolitic.
By what contamination process do you think the synthetic zeolite zk20 can possibly wind up in chemical analyses of trace minerals?
Davidovits and Courtois proved that synthetic zeolites, simple geopolymeric desalination pots, were first produced in Syria 8,000 years ago.
Davidovits, J., C
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Sandy J. Perkins
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<HTML>Sandy J
Synthetic zeolites are widely used in industry, these zeolites are produced for specific purposes., and so each set is manufactured in a specific way. Each zeolite set has a unique molecular footprint, so if MM and co say that they have found traces of synthetic zeolites, and they can recognise them as synthetic, then those zeolites are a product of 20th century technology.
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sandy
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<HTML>Mr. Brass.
I have posted the answers to Anthony's question as set out by Katherin.
But that's beside the point. I asked you if you endorse Anthony calling me a liar. And I asked you if you endorse Anthony saying that Davidovits and Morris hatched their theory and promote it as a "marketing ploy." Do you endorse Anthony's disgusting behavior? From your remar
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<HTML>Goop Answers
Question: "Why didn't the limestone "goop" ooze into the cracks of the block beneath it."
Answer: This is covered in a chapter in the ebook Margaret Morris sent me. The chapter was written by an engineer. MM says he studied the properties of geopolymerized rock, its strengths, consistencies, molecular bonding action and ability to bond to aggreg
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Sandy J. Perkins
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<HTML>Katherine,
1. I don't have your email address.
2. I've said most of what I have to say in my post to which you've replied and I'm sorry if I've violated your request somehow with my posting.
3. You say you searched your database and found nothing Anthony did wrong. So I've spelled out what he did wrong in my post. Please read my post and tell me if you h
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<HTML>Below are my statements to Katherine Reece Mr. Mikey Brass concerning their support of Anthony's behavior. Below is proof that Anthony has called me a "liar" and accused geopolymerists of hatching and promoting their theory as a "marketing ploy." This amounts to Anthony's accusation of scientific fraud on their part. How can Katherine and Brass endorse su
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<HTML>Why don't you send the questions to Morris or Davidovits, and then give them time for a response?</HTML>
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<HTML>Okay, Sandy...
Here's a Funk & Wagnalls Standard Desk Dictionary definition:
liar: One who lies or utters falsehoods
Just to make sure we're working on the same foundation here....
Now, let's examine YOUR post from that date:
You wrote this:
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<b>Author: Sandy J. Perkins
Date: September-08-01 18:23
You admit you don't read it anywa
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<HTML>Per Katherine's request I won't repeat Anthomy's ugly language. I will include only the dates and related info so Katherine can check the posts and arbitrate fairly:
Katherine,
September 9, 2001 Anthony has the audacity to call me a liar and never apologizes: He titles his post: "You're lying again"
See my message to Anthony on September 12, which pert
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Sandy J. Perkins
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<HTML>You may be right about Davidovits but that can hardly explain the strong support shown toward the GT by many others. For them some other explanation is required.
For me there are two issues here; geopolymerisation itself on the one hand and the construction of the pyramids themselves on the other.
Geoploymerisation is basically a technological process, a sound enough one at that.
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<HTML>Here's an interesting take on why there's no answers, to be found on Davidovits' website ...
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Proceedings of
GÉOPOLYMÈRE '99
Second International Conference on geopolymer technology
The Book and CD-ROM contain the proceedings of GÉOPOLYMÈRE '99, a three day international conference on geopolymer science, technology and applicatio
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<HTML>Formula for geopolymer:
I believe Davidovits already has a synthetic limestone. It holds up "CHEMICALLY" to the real limestone, but I'm not sure if it holds up STRUCTURALLY to the real thing. This is where pressure and density come into play. He doesn't ever RELEASE his artificial sample, which leads me to believe that it is about as solid as sandstone.
(You r
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<HTML>Whether I have a theory or not is COMPLETELY inconsequential to the answering of these two simple questions.
Do you realize that you have made TEN posts on this thread alone in the last two days... and you have YET to answer the questions?
If you wish to eliminate questioners because they may have a different idea of how the pyramids were built than do yourself, Margaret Morris and
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<HTML>Sandy,
I stated that YOU were the one making the slanderous style statements about Davidovits and Morris... not I. You made those statements and ATTRIBUTED them to ME.
What part of that do you not get?
I posted them so that YOU would see that YOU were the one saying the nasty things... not I.
Let me explain by allegory...
Anthony said the car was "not white".
Sandy r
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<HTML>Kat, if Anthony retracts his statements about me being a "liar" and his claim that I said bad things about geopolymerists and so on, I'll write to MM and ask her if I can use some of their unpublished info to answer Anthony's questions. Although, some of his questions have been answered in their writings for years.
After all, MM allowed me to read her unpublished
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