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Thanks very much for the info, Byrd.
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I was wondering if anyone could tell me whether Sata and Nehebkau are different snakes or simply different name for the same snake.
Thanks.
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Thanks for the help.
I tried sending a message to Mark Vygus at mark@vygus.freeserve.co.uk to ask where he got the glyph. But the email bounced. So, if anyone happens to have a current address for him, asking him could shed some light on the issue.
Thanks again.
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Greetings,
Mark Vygus, Paul Dickson, and Charles Nichols identify a hieroglyph depicting the Eye of Horus, singly or paired, as Gardiner's D10c meaning 'See, behold'. But I don't see that glyph in my copy of the 3rd edition of Gardiner's Egyptian Grammar or anywhere else.
I was therefore wondering if someone here could tell me where I could find that glyph used that
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L Cooper Wrote:
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> I believe what is being referred to can be found
> in Petrie's Naqada and Ballas, Plate VII. There is
> some minor discussion of this plate on p. 14 of
> the text, but nothing too illuminating.
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> See -
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> An interesting book that might be helpful is
> "Ancient Board Ga
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Rick Baudé Wrote:
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> It's the Aten sun with the outreaching hands that
> has been photoshopped in and several of the white
> crowns of Egypt. The second photo somebody
> photoshopped in the finger holes for the ball, and
> photoshopped OUT Osiris who is clearly sitting on
> his throne, you can see the remnants th
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A number of bowling websites grossly misinterpret the Egyptian reliefs linked below as evidence that the Egyptians invented bowling. But none of those sites state where they got the pictures or where the relief is located. So, I was wondering if anyone here knew either of these things.
Thanks very much in advance.
Bill
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Hermione Wrote:
> Thank you for such a detailed reply, Lee.
And Byrd Wrote:
> Beautiful... thank you!
Lee, forgive me for not responding sooner, but I had other things to take care of before I could respond now by saying that I emphatically agree with Hermione and Byrd. Your analysis was exactly what I was hoping for, and has to be the definitive one on the glyphs I questioned.
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Thanks very much for taking the time to write this very informative response, Mr. Cooper.
Having examined the glyphs that De Buck shows on p. 230 of the work you referenced, it is troubling that none of those have the god determinative that Budge shows. Still, I can't believe that Budge just threw that determinative in to support his translation -- particularly since he shows the same de
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Byrd Wrote:
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> Short answer: No.
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> Shorter answer: Budge's translations are very
> "iffy" and in any case are more than 120 years out
> of date, as is Maspero's.
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> Allen's translation is reliable.
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> In that intervening 120+ years, thousands of more
> texts have been
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Greetings,
I was wondering if anybody here could help me answer a translation problem I’ve been having.
More specifically, comparing Budge’s translation of Spell 68 in the Book of The Dead immediately below to Allen’s translation of it further below, I was wondering why Budge, and apparently Maspero and Sethe before him, translated the glyphs on page 254 Col. a of his dictionary as “the go
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Thanks very much for the interesting and informative discussion.
Bill
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Greg Reeder Wrote:
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> > It's spelled differently and has a different
> determinative.
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> From the information that Chris supplied we can
> discount the cow patties.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. According to Vygus, 049 was also used as a determinative for ‘mound’; for instance, in:
imy l3t .s
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Bull cakes
Chris,
Thanks very much for the thought provoking reference, as it inspired me to research the issues in question in greater detail. As a result, I want to point that although Breasted states that the “bull cakes” were “doubtless also made in the shape indicated by the name,” that is an assumption that can indeed be doubted, as I do, for a number reasons.
First, Breasted interp
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Greg Reeder Wrote:
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> After looking it up in Budge I agree with Rick.
> Cakes to offer. But just a guess.
> Now why did you think this important.
Yes, very, very important, but for reasons I can't go into here.
> Are you working on something?
Yes, I am. Yes, I am. ;-)
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> FWIW Budge's translations are pretty much discredited by everybody
I've read things to that effect in a number of places. But "everybody," including the world's foremost experts, frequently discredited people who claimed many things that we now take for granted, or attempted to throw out "babies" that are still very much alive and kicking in the babies’
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Chris Tedder Wrote:
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> Sat: N37a (S) D36 (a) X1 (t) N33a (plural) + D53
> det., + bovine in recline det.
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> Depending on the determinative, Sat had many
> meanings – knife, slaughtering, terror, ‘top of
> the Djed column’, document… (Faulkner 2002 (1962):
> 262)
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> Budge’s ‘IV’ reference is ‘Urkund
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Khazar-khum Wrote:
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> Cow patties and road apples, while different
> items, have a similar background.
I never heard the term "road apples" applied to manure before. But the word I was asking about is transparently cognate with shata -- a rough transliteration of the word for filth and dung in Syriac, Aramaic, and a numb
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I recognize that Egyptologists generally take Budge's translations with a grain of salt. But on page 730 of Vol. II, Budge tranlisterates N38 D36 X1 N33 N33 N33 D53 E1 as "sha-t" and he translates it as bull cakes. The only citation he gives -- "IV 956" -- is for one of its homonyms, but "IV" isn't listed in his references. So, I was wondering if anybody h
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Thanks very much for the clarification and the links, Clem.
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Thanks for following up on this for me. I found the Baines article, but it doesn't shed much addition light on the issue. However, several of the things he says are interesting, and I'll continue to think about them.
If you and anyone else finds any otherinterpretaions of these scenes, please let me know.
Thanks
Bill
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Thanks very much for the informative responses. But I'm still wondering how to interpret the register depicting a cow and the bird?
In addition, I was wondering why I haven’t been able to find an Egyptian word or hieroglyph that meant brown in any of the many dictionaries I’ve examined. The only reference to brown that I did find was in Mark Vygus’ dictionary, which interprets st3st3 as
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Greetings,
I recently came across this scene on the Bas-relief in the mortuary temple of Ramesses III in Wikipedia's entry for the KM hieroglyph (I6):
According to the accompanying entry, the interpretation of the row bearing the km hieroglyph is 'black cow', and I can discern that the interpretation of the row bearing the mace hieroglyph (T3) is 'white cow'.
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I'd like to thank you all for the very interesting, scholarly, and enlightening discussion. The questions i still have, however, is where Budge got the idea that djdjt was a 'fruit', and why Emma Brunner Traut recently identified it as henna, even though other authors already identified it as hematite. (I'm sorry i don't have the exact reference, but i think she did so in
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Greetings,
i'm trying to find info on the fruit called tataat that Budge mentions in his analysis of the Destruction of Mankind Myth, but doesn't list in his dictionary. Although one must surmise that this was originally a mythological fruit, i'm still interested in the word's etymology and what, if any, fruit the Egyptians may have used to represent it. Any references to a
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