Ritva Kurittu Wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> Oh, but we do know. The ideal number of days is
> 70. The scribe writing the pCarlsberg tells us so,
> he also tells us that it was due to Sirius
> invisibility of 70 days.
> However, we have examples of the delay being much
> longer, and this during the OK. Meresankh III is a
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Ronald
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Ancient Egypt
Ritva Kurittu Wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> Oh, but we do know.
I was worried you knew something I didn't know... but then you go on to actually restate what I say above, only in more specific terms:
> The ideal number of days is
> 70.
That's what I said.
> The scribe writing the pCarlsberg tells us so,
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Anthony
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Ancient Egypt
Hi,
Oh, but we do know. The ideal number of days is 70. The scribe writing the pCarlsberg tells us so, he also tells us that it was due to Sirius invisibility of 70 days.
However, we have examples of the delay being much longer, and this during the OK. Meresankh III is a good example: her body waited 272 days for the tomb of Hetepheres II to be appropriated for her.
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Ritva Kurittu
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Ancient Egypt
Byrd: "My question: are those more recent PT's (dating to, say, 800 BC or thereabouts) or are they among the oldest... and how correct is the reference to Orion? Can anyone straighten me out here? Is Mercer's rendering of "Orion" correct?"
Mercer's translation (1952), just has the ancient Egyptian word, sAH, but both Faulkner's (1969) and Allen
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Chris Tedder
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Ancient Egypt
Budge started the show for me too. "Osiris" was the very first book on Egyptology that I ever purchased and for many years the only one. However, Budge opened my eyes to the vastness of Egyptology. He was not the least bit concerned with who was the model for the sphinx, or how many bricks there were in the GP these seemed to be the two weightiest issues in Egyptology way back and ap
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Rick Baudé
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Ancient Egypt
AS: "There are a lot more references to "water" Egyptian iconography and texts than there are to stars."
Its the 'cool waters' of the stars - you unnecessarily polarize the issues - instead of seeing how the various individual threads intertwine:
part of the Resurrection Ritual in the earliest PTs (W 147-9):
"But you shall become clean in the cool
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Chris Tedder
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Ancient Egypt
Chris Tedder Wrote:
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> The stars were gods, the bas / akhs of the
> kings!!
>
> Read the PTs - there is so much info on this.
>
> Sopdet (spdt), personification of'Sirius', the
> brightest star in their sky after the sun.
> 'Horus of the Duat', the 'Morning Star' etc.
I e
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Ronald
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Ancient Egypt
The stars were gods, the bas / akhs of the kings!!
Read the PTs - there is so much info on this.
Sopdet (spdt), personification of'Sirius', the brightest star in their sky after the sun.
'Horus of the Duat', the 'Morning Star' etc.
CT
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Chris Tedder
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Ancient Egypt
No actually Anthony, the latest data simply confirms and refines the data and construction dates - and proved the regularity of the long outer exit sections of the star shafts.
As Chris Tedder iirc posted below, both Mark Lehner and Zahi Hawass and many others have indicated agreement with Badawi and Trimble's 1964 conclusions, and at last year's Egyptian Exploration Society meeting
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Dave L
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Ancient Egypt
Hi Anthony,
I look forward to your in-depth analysis of the origins of the association of Sah with Orion and Sepdet with Sirius. Thanks for all the time you will devote to it even while not expecting Morph to read a thing nor do any research himself into the basic literature.
Please let me know when you post it.
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Greg Reeder
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Ancient Egypt
Instead of Faulkner's zenith(?), Allen has Izken
and there's these that mention the 'sky's height':
Allen: "Teti has crossed in the great ferryboat without a fare having been taken in it; the White Palace of the great ones cannot bar him from the Beaten Path of Stars (msqt sHdw) - for look, Teti has reached the sky's height and the populace have seen h
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Chris Tedder
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Ancient Egypt
And what do we do with the records, where the New Year was begun by Sirius and not Spica?
Sirius cannot be seen to give birth to the New Year, it has association through it's heliacal rising 56* furthur along the horizon, were the Sun would have rose at Winter Solstice, marking the full yearly cycle.
Norph
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Morph
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Ancient Egypt
The heliacal rising of Sirius was important, the Mid-Winter solstice had taken place at the rising point of Sirius upon the horizon, so it's return Mid-summer could only have been seen as auspicious...however i would associate Sirius with Anubis.
The heliacal rising of Spica i wouldn't consider important in this context, rather the literal heliacal rising of Regulus in conjunction
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Morph
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Ancient Egypt
And what do we do with the records, where the New Year was begun by Sirius and not Spica?
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Ritva Kurittu
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Ancient Egypt
So shall we change the books from Sirius to "the Heliacal rising of Spica"?
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Greg Reeder
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Ancient Egypt
Well the figure i identified as Sah has arms and legs and is human, rises before the star i identifed with Sopdet (Spica), so that about covers that then, as that's basically all they've considered for criteria that need to be realised...
"...from the decanal lists we know that Sah, divided into three or four decans, rose heliacally before and not after, Sirius..........We
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Morph
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Ancient Egypt
Now that Orion is no longer Sah and Sirius is no longer Sothis how are you going to go about correcting all the text books, dictionaries and encyclopedias to disabuse them of their ignorance?
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Greg Reeder
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Ancient Egypt
Morph Wrote:
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> Get your facts straigt, Morph. The decanlists are
> not concerned with the NCP stars. As has been
> pointed out to you also, in those lists sAH is
> placed before Sirius, just where Orion would be.
> But you keep ignoring this, ad nauseum.[
>
>
> I didn't say Ursa Major was a Decan, just
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Ritva Kurittu
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Ancient Egypt
Here is a quote from the 'Dramatic Text' were a comparison is drawn between a star that is associated with seventy days/ten decans of invisibility, and Sopdet, this period is understood as relating to Sirius.
If then the star in question is Sirius, how can it be compared to Sopdet, if it is actually supposed to be Sopdet...?
"The one (star) which goes to earth dies and
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Morph
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Ancient Egypt
Get your facts straigt, Morph. The decanlists are not concerned with the NCP stars. As has been pointed out to you also, in those lists sAH is placed before Sirius, just where Orion would be. But you keep ignoring this, ad nauseum.[
I didn't say Ursa Major was a Decan, just that it is shown next to Sah, and the PT's imply the relationship should be close enough that he can reac
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Morph
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Ancient Egypt
Get your facts straigt, Morph. The decanlists are not concerned with the NCP stars. As has been pointed out to you also, in those lists sAH is placed before Sirius, just where Orion would be. But you keep ignoring this, ad nauseum.
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Ritva Kurittu
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Ancient Egypt
What strikes me as peculiar is that it was a given in Theosophy that Orion represented 'the soul of Osiris' even before any reliable translations of Egyptian text and examination of artifact, the Classical referances of Plutarch are for Sirius as 'the soull of Isis' and Orion as 'the soul of Hrous', there isn't as far as i know a direct association of Osiris wit
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Morph
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Ancient Egypt
Disclaimer: my egyptian knowledge is corrupt and not broad-enough-based, like many users on this board... So please don't quote me. However, I do think I have something to contribute on this topic below.
I don't like this connection of Osiris with Orion. Horus is fine. I think I've seen a stellar picture of a Falcon-headed Horus, in the past.
Orion is sometimes called Ore
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rich
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Ancient Egypt
JS: "I remember reading something Joanne Conman posted a couple of years ago arguing that sAH was not a single star or asterism but a region on the Horizon where Sirius and other stars rose. This would make sense in terms of sAH being the "Father of the Gods".
You think that makes sense? Have you actually read the PTs?
"The sky shall conceive you with Orion (sAH),
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Chris Tedder
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QuoteIts more a question of what is more or less likely. Its likely that Sah (sAH, 'Orion'), 'father of the gods' in the earliest PTs, was the personification of the large distinctive constellation of Orion, and Sopdet (spdt, 'Sirius') the personification of Sirius, the brightest star in their sky after the sun.
I remember reading something Joanne Conman posted a c
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Joe_S
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Ancient Egypt
So Isis is NOT associated with Sirius?
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Greg Reeder
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Ancient Egypt
I think really Greg it's something most Egyptologists just go along with for lack of a better model, Legon stated most weren't particularly happy about the identification, i know of a couple that talk in terms of Sokar being associated with the stars of Orion for seasonal timing of Khoiak reasons.
The identification actually pre-dates Egyptology as it's premise is from the Gre
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Morph
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Ancient Egypt
Yes dating back to the good old days when Theosophy and Egyptology were pretty much the same thing...maybe they still are.
Sirius. It was 'Isis in the heaven' and called Isis-Sothis, for Isis was 'in the constellation of the dog,' as is declared on her monuments. 'The soul of Osiris was believed to reside in a personage who walks with great steps in front of soth
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Morph
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Ancient Egypt
Here's something that contradicts the Theosophy;
"The one (star) which goes to earth dies and enters the Duat .. It stops in the House of Geb seven decans.It looses its impurity to the earth in seven decans .It sheds its impurity to the earth. It is pure and it comes into existence in the horizon like Sopdet
That referances the Star Sirius, in terms of it's periodic of
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Morph
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Ancient Egypt
Its more a question of what is more or less likely. Its likely that Sah (sAH, 'Orion'), 'father of the gods' in the earliest PTs, was the personification of the large distinctive constellation of Orion, and Sopdet (spdt, 'Sirius') the personification of Sirius, the brightest star in their sky after the sun.
Its also likely these two stellar deities, who were pair
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Morph
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Ancient Egypt