I agree that there is reconciliation of the elementals involved, very basic alchemy as it were, that's what i pointed out in the comparison of Greek myth with blind Orion seeking the rising Sun.
These occurances transformed in ritual and percieved as magic, thus so Sirius/Anubis associated with purification through water, Spica/Sopdet purification through air, whilst Regulus would be
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Morph
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(sorry, wrong place - this post is a reply to Ritva)
Ritva: "It does seem that Sirius was at least associated with the New Year and the height of the Nile (hence inundation) rather early, since by the 6th dynasty the seasons were already out of whack"
Interesting quote Ritva, thanks for posting it!
The seasons and the calendar were in sync around 2771 - 2781 BC. At this t
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Chris Tedder
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Chris,
It does seem that Sirius was at least associated with the New Year and the height of the Nile (hence inundation) rather early, since by the 6th dynasty the seasons were already out of whack. Breasted writes in Ancient Records of Egypt (vol I):
In the Sixth Dynasty, Uni, a nobleman who had
been sent to Assuan to procure granite from the quarries
there, narrates that he succeeded in la
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Ritva Kurittu
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Ancient Egypt
Pistol: "The summer solstice in the year 2570 BC did not occur +/- 2 days around June 26, it occurred exactly on July 15 and the Heliacal rise of Sothis is first seen on July 7th, any earlier and the suns light overpowers the star."
Yours are Julian dates, mine Gregorian!!
Schaeffer's dates for the heliacal rising of Sirius:
"The most frequently asked question i
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Chris Tedder
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From the earliest records the AE had a 'idealized' calendar based on solar / lunar / stellar / agricultural cycles.
The year (rnpt) had three seasons (tr) - each season divided into four idealized months (Abd) of thirty days each = 360 days + five days which were 'those over the year' (Hr (j)w-rnpt). Their year was actually 365 1/4 days, but the extra 1/4 day was not tak
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Chris Tedder
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Ancient Egypt
Looking at the evidence you present then,
"...from the decanal lists we know that Sah, divided into three or four decans, rose heliacally before and not after, Sirius..........We know furthermore from the names of the decans of Sah, ‘upper arm’, ‘lower arm’, ‘arm’, etc., that Sah was a human figure which is in any case graphically portrayed for us on the transverse strips of the coffin
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Morph
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CT: "Orion (mentioned in the Pyramid Texts as Sah, the 'Father of the Gods')"
Morph: "In the opinion of some..."
Lets see who the "some" are:
Two translations of the Pyramid Texts commonly in use today are Faulkner (1969) and Allen (2005) - both translate sAH - Orion.
In his Glossary Allen has: "Orion (sAH). Identical with the mode
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Chris Tedder
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Ancient Egypt
Kat: "I'm sorry, but your posting of yesterday showing the pyramids matching up to three stars from Orion (other than the ones in his belt) and this one showing the pyramids matching up to three stars from Leo (which the AE didn't know as a constellation) just prove what I've thought all along that you could make these three pyramids match up to a lot of stars in the sky.&quo
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Chris Tedder
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Ancient Egypt
Regulus marked the summer solstice and was thus associated with the innundation, as seen in the iconography of Denderah for example. The sun was rising around the postion were Sirius rose at the time of the winter solstice, it's helical return at the summer solstice in effect suggesting some sort of balance and harmony along the length of the ecliptic path between the solstice points, but t
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Morph
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Ancient Egypt
In the ancient world, people would note the rising of the stars to time certain events (like when to plant... and we know this is true because the rising of Sirius marks the beginning of the flood season for Egypt.)
What events are you connecting with these stars that the Egyptians might have been concerned about?
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Byrd
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Byrd: "You might also want to consider that there are not three pyramids at Giza. There are 8 smaller pyramids (at least one with inscriptions and the coffin of a queen) plus a number of mastaba pyramids where nobles were buried."
Don't let's loose sight of the fact that there are 3 royal funerary complexes at Giza where the central component of each complex is a massive
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Chris Tedder
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Sah_4: "I just solved Giza for real. The pyramids depict three stars along the bottom of the constellation Leo."
The faint stars you selected do not form a distinctive star pattern in the sky and two of them are not from any of the 6 or so bright stars that actually form the distinctive star pattern of a recumbent lion. The stars lie on or around the ecliptic, but why leave out f
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Chris Tedder
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sorry....those thumbs instead of fingers again. My bad
25,800 does yield the date I suggested
as to the whiff
I was referring to a Whiff that leads to the awareness of Precession ie the overall pattern .
we allready know they knew that the stars moved ie Sirius
and of course I realise that the hub is more indicative than the periphery. But I still am of the opinion that is it fa
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Warwick L Nixon
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Ritva: "Surely the Eyptians didn't see the stars as sharp, but shining. Now, it seems that either they had only one word designing the words sharp and shining (which Sirius undoubtedly is), or the two determinatives are not the same. Needless to say, that the form of a pyramid fits wonderfully in the context of "shining" and much less in the idea of it being a thorn."
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Chris Tedder
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hendrikdirker Wrote:
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> pheww! -I feel better now -thought i was the only
> one with nothin' better to do on a Saturday
> eve...
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> The Duat is a geometrical wonder -the images
> describe it best and hardly require words but I am
> not familiar with the procedure of posting them
> here (could email too,
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cladking
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pheww! -I feel better now -thought i was the only one with nothin' better to do on a Saturday eve...
The Duat is a geometrical wonder -the images describe it best and hardly require words but I am not familiar with the procedure of posting them here (could email too, if desired).
It is an area in celestial topography, anchored between Sirius, the Pleiades, and the two stars Pollox &
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hendrikdirker
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Ancient Egypt
To the AE the symbol of an encircled 5pointed star denoted the Duat:-
I identified the region of the sky that the ancients referred to as the Duat and present the work graphically through the medium of geometry -in its most basic form it’s a (big) triangle. (it is also demonstrated how it incorporates other geometric variations, as well as a circle).
It has a dual application (celestial &a
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hendrikdirker
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The hieroglyph shaped like a triangle is M44 'thorn', the determinative in 'sharp' (spd), and used in Sopdet (spdt), who personifies Sirius.
I don't completely agree here, Chris. While Gardiner gives M44 as thorn, due to it's use as determinative in the word thorn itself, he adds: "Possibly it is the same sign, if not a mere triangle, which serves as ideo. or
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Ritva Kurittu
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"The Duat triangle performs a seesaw effect in relation to the horizontal balance of the Ecliptic – symbolic of the scales in Egyptian mythology."
Why do you refer to a "Duat triangle "
The hieroglyph shaped like a triangle is M44 'thorn', the determinative in 'sharp' (spd), and used in Sopdet (spdt), who personifies Sirius.
The hieroglyph,
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Chris Tedder
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Ancient Egypt
Here's an interesting quotation from Petrie's 'Researches in Sinai' regarding an association of Hathor with Sopdu, to the extent of being named as such...
After two or three thousand years of worship at the primitive shrine, the Egyptians introduced side by side with it the worship of the god of the East, Sopdu. He was closely associated with Hat-hor, or rather, probably
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Morph
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Ancient Egypt
Rich,
Star 'clocks' are not star maps - the interior of the MK coffin lids have star 'tables'.
They also have depictions of Nut (the sky), Sah (Orion) and Sopdet (Sirius) in the southern sky, and Mesekhtiu, the large distinctive 7-star asterism in Ursa Major known as the 'Plough' / 'Big Dipper' in the northern sky, but again, I would hesitate to call
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Chris Tedder
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Ancient Egypt
The PTs mention Osirus, yes, and Sirius, and Venus.
Since these others don't fit in the 12,500 year old secret codex these stars are conviently left out of the theories. In how many CTs PTs is Re (the Sun) mentioned? Yet there is no mention of the Sun in these theories... aside from the 7,900 + rotations of the Earth around it the idea would have had to find SOME way to stay alive.
My a
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Jammer
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Ancient Egypt
Again, I see the references to Orion, MOST of which say "like Orion"...
>"May <Pharaoh> be encircled by Orion, by Sothis and by the Morning Star, may they set you within the arms of your mother Nut.."
Orion & Sirius<Sothis> are rather far apart. It's obvious they are referring to single entities, not constellations. The Morning Star (Venus) is a p
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Jammer
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Ancient Egypt
Jammer: "can you show me the parts of the CT & PT where the Pharaoh is physically transported to the star Orion?"
In the PTs, Sah (sAH, 'Orion') was father of the gods and of the king, and presided over southern Egypt. The king was given title as the greatest controlling power by Sah.
PTs:
You (Teti) shall touch the sky like Orion, your ba shall be sharp l
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Chris Tedder
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Ancient Egypt
funnily enough..I believe that part of the reason they built the pyramids was to ensure a supply of water.ie the inundation, the return of the Sun, the return of Sirius, etc, etc.
so in a way it was a water pump
warwick
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Warwick L Nixon
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Hi Sam,
"When I saw this what came to mind was the "Mskhtw" associated with the thigh constellation in the north. Mshktw and Msqt are so similar that some researchers (like myself) might get them confused. Just a point of clarification, if possible."
'Striker' - msxtiw: the 'Plough' / 'Big Dipper', a distinctive 7 - star asterism in Urs
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Chris Tedder
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Ancient Egypt
clem ciamarra Wrote:
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> I know of no text which says the north was "more
> sacred" than the south, so if you contend that,
> you'd better be able to show where in says that in
> primary texts from anc
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> Katherine Griffis-Greenberg Wrote:
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> but the north more-so, and the sites there
> indicate that in lower egypt
I'd need to see a valid citation for that, Clem, for Greg is quite right that the Egyptians numbered their nomes from south to north, even the northern (Lower Egyptian) ones. Their "map" as it we
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clem ciamarra
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Warwick L Nixon Wrote:
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> IOW's the sun has to set before it can rise
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> I wonder what the portents of a king actually
> passing on the first night of Sirius' invisability
> would have been???
>
Excellent question!
These are the kinds of discussions that really relate to the study of ancient Egypti
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Anthony
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Ancient Egypt
IOW's the sun has to set before it can rise
I wonder what the portents of a king actually passing on the first night of Sirius' invisability would have been???
Warwick
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Warwick L Nixon
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