I'll settle for just ignoring him but it was an interesting link. I followed through on Mark Newbrook and found that he had reviewed Menzies "1421: The Year China Discovered the World" on the CSI site.
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Michael L
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Humanities
I'm very excited about this project. There is the information on the Supe Valley that Kosok hinted at in his book. But also from the point of view of this site Menzies claims Calancha recorded evidence of the Chinese in pre-Columbian America,
"So, for New York, the first person who got there was Giovanni de Verrazzano, and in trying to find the Northwest Passage he met people he d
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Katherine Reece
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Ancient History
One more reason to consign Menzies to the fiction pile and to the garbage pile. I'm just so curious how this "Magnificent Chinese Fleet", managed NOT to be mentioned in European sources. Yes I looked. Or why Europeans remained incrediabily ignorant of China if a few thousand Chinese suddenly turned up in 1434. Columbus for example was looking for the "Great Khan", long af
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Pacal
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Ancient History
> Roxana Cooper Wrote:
> Not many are aware that the Chinese were using
> toilet paper six hundred years before the west
> discovered its benefits.
Pity they didn't spread that particular idea a bit further.
It's not common practice anywhere in Asia to wipe your b*m with a bit of paper, and throw it down the hole - because the hole is only the entrance to a com
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Richard Parker
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Ancient History
Roxana Cooper Wrote:
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> Does Menzies plan to explain why renaissance art
> and literary forms bear
> no resemblance whatsoever to Chinese models if
> they - not the classical world -
> were the inspiration?
I've got no idea, although I believe it is pretty well accepted that the use of perspective, which was so in
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Duncan Craig
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Ancient History
Does Menzies plan to explain why renaissance art and literary forms bear
no resemblance whatsoever to Chinese models if they - not the classical world -
were the inspiration?
Mind you it isn't exactly impossible that Chinese envoys should have visited
15th c. Italy. But they would almost certainly have come overland by way of the
Silk Road and I can't see them having much cul
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Roxana Cooper
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Ancient History
Roxana Cooper Wrote:
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> OH MY GOD !!!!!!!!!
>
> I trust I have a proper respect for the truly
> impressive achievements of
> Chinese civilization without having to credit them
> with EVERY DARN THING
> UNDER THE SUN!!!!!!
You should hear the Chinese explanation about radiation.
And of course the paleont
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Khazar-khum
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Ancient History
OH MY GOD !!!!!!!!!
I trust I have a proper respect for the truly impressive achievements of
Chinese civilization without having to credit them with EVERY DARN THING
UNDER THE SUN!!!!!!
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Roxana Cooper
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Ancient History
Duncan Craig Wrote:
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> At least the mystery of how Italy acquired
> linguine will finally be resolved.
Not to mention Pi Tsa
regards
Richard
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Richard Parker
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Ancient History
At least the mystery of how Italy acquired linguine will finally be resolved.
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Duncan Craig
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Ancient History
Roxana Cooper Wrote:
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> Duncan, you ARE joking, arent' you? Please say you
> are!
I wish that I was...apparently I'm still on the mailing list as a contributing researcher.
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Duncan Craig
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Ancient History
I don't think so Roxana .....
Personally I'm waiting for him to write 1534: The year the Chinese went to the moon
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Katherine Reece
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Ancient History
Duncan, you ARE joking, arent' you? Please say you are!
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Roxana Cooper
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Ancient History
Got this in the mail yesterday:
We have been keeping it under wraps for the last year, but are today delighted to announce the forthcoming publication of Gavin's new book, 1434 - The Year a Magnificent Chinese Fleet Sailed to Italy and Ignited the Renaissance.
In the new book Gavin presents evidence that it was Chinese advances in science, art and technology that formed the basis of th
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Duncan Craig
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Ancient History
Pete Clarke Wrote:
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> This is a trend I've noticed before - academics
> that produce controversial hypotheses tend to
> speak at places where they will get, their
> opinion, a fairer hearing than in the academy
> (look at some of the places Schoch spoke). There
> is also a tendancy for them to produce more outre
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Doug Weller
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Ancient History
There is of course, a huge school of thought about Transpacific contact, of which Menzies is the most recent. Heres an overview.
The main flaw in Menzies book is that the characteristics that he points out in Mesoamerica as Asian, where characteristics present from the very inception of the Olmec genesis.
So the '1421' date isn't relevent. Those who have examined the issue
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Duncan Craig
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Ancient History
Hermione Wrote:
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> 1. I found a reference online to Spanish
> exploration of the coast of Alaska in the year
> 1512. Do you have any university library websites
> to recommend that may have more information on
> this?
Probably not true. Cabrillo was along the coast of California looking for Strait of Anián in 1542.
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Byrd
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Ancient History
The following text is being posted on Ma'at at the request of Sensations Magazine:
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My name is David Messineo, and I run a small literary magazine based in Lafayette, NJ, called Sensations Magazine. For 20 years, our publication has published contemporary poetry and fiction, with occasional footnoted research projects. Sensations Magazine is available to university libr
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Hermione
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Ancient History
An article, which discusses the origin of the Moeraki Boulders,
which Menzies still claims to be manmade artifacts related to
his imaginary shipwrecks of an equally imaginary Chinese
Fleet that visited New Zealand, has been published in the August
issue of the Houston Gem and Mineral Society Newsletter. Although
the article is about cannonball concretions, which form "Rock
City&quo
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Paul H.
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Ancient History
Duncan Craig Wrote:
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> bernard Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > From the story:
> >
> > "Menzies believes that Zheng He took rice
> from
> > China to America, brought back maize from
> America,
> > took sweet potato from South America to New
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bernard
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Ancient History
bernard Wrote:
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> From the story:
>
> "Menzies believes that Zheng He took rice from
> China to America, brought back maize from America,
> took sweet potato from South America to New
> Zealand and Australia, and took Indian cotton to
> America and then brought a better strain of cotton
> to Europe. Besi
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Duncan Craig
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Ancient History
From the story:
"Menzies believes that Zheng He took rice from China to America, brought back maize from America, took sweet potato from South America to New Zealand and Australia, and took Indian cotton to America and then brought a better strain of cotton to Europe. Besides, all sorts of fruits and animals were also transferred from one country to another."
1) there is no eviden
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bernard
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Ancient History
Pacal Wrote:
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> You say:
>
Quoteespite Menzies hatchet job, wholesale
> dismissals of Zheng He making it to North America
> are irrational.
>
> Sorry but the fact Chinese bureaucrats destroyed
> records is only proof that they destroyed records
> and nothing else. The fact is we have evidence
> that Zh
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Duncan Craig
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Ancient History
You say:
Quote Despite Menzies hatchet job, wholesale dismissals of Zheng He making it to North America are irrational.
Sorry but the fact Chinese bureaucrats destroyed records is only proof that they destroyed records and nothing else. The fact is we have evidence that Zheng He sailed to Ceylon, Africa, the Persian gulf etc. In fact this evidence is fairly extensive. But regarding evidenc
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Pacal
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Ancient History
Jammer Wrote:
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> Duncan,
>
> OK, I'll bite (says the bass);
>
> Rainwater recapture requires a dependable
> prediction of the weather. Near land masses, such
> as island hopping in the Indonesia/Burmese
> coastal/Indian subcontinent this would work as
> cloud formation led to predictable shower
>
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Duncan Craig
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Ancient History
Jammer Wrote:
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> The Chinese Admiral's, Zheng He, voyages are
> fairly well documented. He apparently went south,
> then west. He actually got involved in settling an
> island dispute over right to rule issues on
> Ceylon.
>
> WHY would his voyages touching Indonesia, India,
> and west Africa be so well
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Duncan Craig
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Ancient History
A couple of threads on Gavin Menzies and associated subjects:
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Hermione
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Ancient History
A buddy of Menzies? Check.
Forbidden knowledge? Check.
Secret maps from China? Check.
A-yup. He's an idiot.
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Khazar-khum
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Ancient History
Hey Kat,
Darkuser here! Everybody has pretty much said all there is to say. Of course there are much more interesting things to do in the subject than moderating forums. Reading and writing up articles as you say, not to mention traveling to all those fascinating places you've read about, Peru, Egypt etc. You should really consider it
I hope you do consider keeping a position here th
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darkuser
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Coffee Shop
"Here's a link with some useful background information:
;
My favorite are 1. "The Island of Seven Cities Exposed" at
and 2. the cannonball concretions, the Moeraki Boulders of New Zealand and those
found along the Cannonball River in North Dakota, which are misidentified as
the sailing weights of junks by Menzies and proponents.
Best Regards,
Paul H.
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Paul H.
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Ancient History