I might suggest where he found it but some might consider it rude!
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Hans
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Ancient History
Atlantis: it's anywhere you want it to be!
I think the inhabitants of Mu should feel chagrined: it seems nobody these days wants to speculate on the whereabouts of Mu.
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Joe_S
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Ancient History
An announcement that a book is to be published in August 2011 revealing the 'truth' about Atlantis and its "trading empire that spanned from the Great Lakes in North America to Kerala in India."
"Gavin Menzies will be presenting the book at the Royal Geographical Society on 16 April 2010". A change from 'to the Royal Geographical Society' which was the
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Doug Weller
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Ancient History
"
"Colonel Blashford-Snell’s expedition set out to find evidence that a canal once existed in Nicaragua, part of a wider — and more far-fetched — theory by the writer Gavin Menzies that the Chinese landed in America long before Columbus."
Can a book by Gavins publisher be far behind?
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Duncan Craig
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Ancient History
Admit it. Menzies' book and his approach to scientific investigation is a definite cure for insomnia.
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Cognito
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Ancient History
There are a couple of European inventions you might want to accept.
One is called a "paragraph". It allows one to express ideas in smaller, readily understandable increments.
Secondly one might want to understand the idea of "comparison". No one in Venice, Genoa, England or anywhere else would have denied that China in 1400 was by the wealthiest land. This was why people
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Khazar-khum
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Ancient History
Jammer Wrote:
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> The concept of a ruling dynasty that turned so
> inward it severed what promised to be lucrative
> trade ties in a solid belief it was the center of
> the world and all barbarians should come to them
> caring to EXPORT knowledge to the sasme barbarians
> is ludicrous.
>
> Some of their scienc
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Duncan Craig
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Ancient History
The concept of a ruling dynasty that turned so inward it severed what promised to be lucrative trade ties in a solid belief it was the center of the world and all barbarians should come to them caring to EXPORT knowledge to the sasme barbarians is ludicrous.
Some of their science trickled down the silk road. But it wasn't state sponsored, it was actually "stolen".
Gunpowder
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Jammer
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Ancient History
In his bestselling book 1421:The Year China Discovered the World, Gavin Menzies revealed that it was the Chinese that discovered America, not Columbus. Now he presents further astonishing evidence that it was also Chinese advances in science, art, and technology that formed the basis of the European Renaissance and our modern world.
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Hermione
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Ancient History
. . . according to the single user comment at IMDB:
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. . . There are neat throw-away incidents and comic turns, some clever visual transitions and wonderful set design from co-director William Cameron Menzies. This is particularly true in a bizarre futuristic dance number which features sinewy soldiers in ancient-Egyptian-like gear abducting skimpily-clad dancing girls. . . .M.
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Martin Stower
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Paper Lens
> Here's one of the footnotes:
> "Menzies cites Li Zhaoxiang's Longquan chuan chang
> zhi (1553) and Needham on the subject of Zheng
> He's ships. Both discuss the woods used in
> constructing the junks—cedar, chestnut, fir,
> camphor, and elm—and do not mention teak. See
> Longquan chuan chang zhi, 5:7; Needham, Science
> and Civilisation in Ch
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Richard Parker
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Ancient History
An excellent debunking of Menzies can be found at:
How Not to (Re)Write World History: Gavin Menzies and the Chinese Discovery of America
Here's one of the footnotes:
"Menzies cites Li Zhaoxiang's Longquan chuan chang zhi (1553) and Needham on the subject of Zheng He's ships. Both discuss the woods used in constructing the junks—cedar, chestnut, fir, camphor, and e
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Richard Parker
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Ancient History
Well the Vikings did and there is l'anse meadows, (or whatever the place calls itself!) to prove it. Mind you the colony failed but the Vikings were there. I have no particular objection to Chinese landing on the WEST coast, it seems well within probability, but there is no evidence to suggest they did so, and Menzies circumpolar explorations are downright ridiculous.
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Roxana Cooper
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Ancient History
Rich Wrote:
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> I was looking over some of Gavin Menzies
> "evidence". One of them is a quote of George
> Washington seeing an old Chinese Junk. I'd
> imagine this would be around 1776. This is 350
> years after Zheng He, though. The topic is
> interesting of Chinese exploration of the new
> wor
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Hermione
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Ancient History
I was looking over some of Gavin Menzies "evidence". One of them is a quote of George Washington seeing an old Chinese Junk. I'd imagine this would be around 1776. This is 350 years after Zheng He, though. The topic is interesting of Chinese exploration of the new world. GM clearly has problems with weighing evidence though... where everything he sees looks Chinese.
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Rich
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Ancient History
Rick Baudé Wrote:
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> I just started reading When China Ruled the Seas
> by Louise Levathes and she seems to either confirm
> or echo many of the thesis's in 1421.
> Comments?
skimming the description and comments. It does not support Menzies. There is no doubt that Cheng He had some monumental voyages all the way
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bernard
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Ancient History
from an old post by Doug
From: Doug Weller <dweller@ramtops.co.uk>
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Re: 1421: the Year the Chinese discovered America
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:19:36 +0100
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:13:05 +1200, in sci.archaeology, Eric Stevens
wrote:
>
>A good clobbering is given by
>
From an Australian historian:
The Chinese Colonisation of New
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bernard
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Ancient History
I do have the book.
Menzies, Gavin.2004 1421. The Year China Discovered AmericaNYerennial
Apparently Admiral Hong Bao returned to China 1 year later than Admiral Zhou Man’s return from the Indian Ocean. Purely from this, Menzies argues that Hong Bao explored Australia on his return from South America.
"pp. 188-189. The most plausible reason for this curtailment of the survey I wou
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bernard
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Ancient History
I've done more searching around and I can't find anything that says there was teak found... the best I can find is Menzies saying IF its teak then ....etc But no proof that teak was found. Has the student checked 1421 for the cite on this?
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Katherine Reece
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Ancient History
Cognito Wrote:
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> paoputzu Wrote:
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> > Two jarring errors
> > come to mind: his contention that the
> Chinese
> > introduced jade to Mexico, and his
> breathless
> > discovery that native tribes were Mongolian.
> These
> >
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paoputzu
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Ancient History
Cognito Wrote:
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> paoputzu Wrote:
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> > Two jarring errors come to mind: his contention that the Chinese
> > introduced jade to Mexico, and his breathless discovery that native > > tribes were Mongolian.
>
> > These tw
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Charlie Hatchett
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Ancient History
paoputzu Wrote:
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> Two jarring errors
> come to mind: his contention that the Chinese
> introduced jade to Mexico, and his breathless
> discovery that native tribes were Mongolian. These
> two failings point to an abysmal ignorance of
> ancient America.
Apparently Menzies never heard of Mexican jade mines. I live
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Cognito
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Ancient History
Hi Dave,
Menzies book is a publishers compendium of many researchers, which explains its scattershot
chopped approach. It is full of inherent contradictions. The glaring underlying failure is that all of the New World traits that Menzies cites as evidence of Zheng He's presence in North and South America,... are traits that were in the New World long before 1421. Two jarring errors come
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paoputzu
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Ancient History
Don't forget the article on Ma'at by Bill Poser it seems a bit risky to not read the book. Menzies throws a lot of stuff at the wall hoping to get something to stick... I doubt the websites and articles mention it all.
They also claim cotton and other plants were brought here by the Chinese before Spanish contact. Bernard's article on this site has a lot of good information i
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Katherine Reece
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Ancient History
Dave wrote:
"Hi Richard, any more detail you can give me appreciated."
My favorite example of the incompetence of Menzies and his
proponents are the Moeraki Boulders of New Zealand. They
are discussed in "Part VI Annexes - Evidence of Chinese
Fleets visit to specific places all round the world" at
. In that web page they stated:
"Moeraki Boulders - possib
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Paul H.
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Ancient History
Dave L Wrote:
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> Hi Richard, any more detail you can give me
> appreciated.
>
> Dave Light
More on Zheng He (or Cheng Ho) - the real voyages
This is from the Wikipedia article at:
Menzies controversy
Author and former submarine Lieutenant Commander Gavin Menzies in his book 1421: The Year China Discovere
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Richard Parker
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Ancient History
is a comprehensive site. I wrote some things here particularly on genetics which was a weak point on the BBC program that also rebutted Menzies. Use the search function.
Bernard
Dave L Wrote:
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> I have to mount a debunk presentation next week
> against 1421 in a class I am teaching - one of the
> students is going to t
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bernard
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Ancient History
Arch, I am giving Martin Waldseemueller poor marks for not citing his sources. If he had, then we could have a serious discussion. Otherwise, we are left with speculation and coincidence.
Regardless, to accept that "somebody knew something" requires pre-Columbian ships capable of making a journey to the Pacific side of South America, the money to outfit crews and supplies for ove
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Cognito
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Ancient History
In 1865 Robert Menzies a young shipbuilder from Edinburgh wrote a letter to Piazzi Smyth who was in Egypt at the time doing his survey of the Pyramids. Smyth had already published the first edition of his "Our Inheritance in the Great Pyramid" but Menzies's letter along with Smyth's own new measurements meant that he revised his most famous book considerably for later editions
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Jon_B
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Alternative Geometry and Numerology
