Pacal Wrote:
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> You say:
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Quote:Khublai Khan was not expected to land at
> Boston Harbor.
>
> You said that the fortrification of "Iroquois"
> villages etc. and other deep inland sites was a
> response to fears of a Mongol invasion. Oh and
> how would you know that Kublai Khan was not
> expe
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Duncan Craig
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Ancient History
You say:
QuoteKhublai Khan was not expected to land at Boston Harbor.
You said that the fortrification of "Iroquois" villages etc. and other deep inland sites was a response to fears of a Mongol invasion. Oh and how would you know that Kublai Khan was not expected to land in Boston harbour after all its a possibility. It goes right with your possibility for which you have provide
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Pacal
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Ancient History
Pacal Wrote:
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> The Hilarity continues.
>
> Regarding An Lu Shan if Wikipedia isn't reliable
> what about The China Institute at which gives
> the dates of the An Lu Shan rebellion as 755-763
> C.E.
Okay.
>
> Oh and the statement regarding New England was
> that during the period in question
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Duncan Craig
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Ancient History
Interesting question, Hans. I’m developing a continuing-education course on Alternative Archaeology for the local university (first taught last term, two more sections this term) and had to grapple with the categories when deciding how to organize my lectures. Here are the broad categories I used:
Ancient Astronauts – eg, Matest Agrest, Von Daniken, Sitchin
Lost Civilizations – Atlantis, Mu
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Rebby
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Ancient History
Pacal Wrote:
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> You say:
>
Quote:"Traces"? Thats a conclusion unsupported by
> the evidence, i.e. the sighting towers that run
> all the way at least to Flagstaff and out along
> the 'ceremonial' roads into New Mexico. "Local"?
> Hardly. Its not even 'local' by todays standard
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Duncan Craig
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Ancient History
You say:
Quote"Traces"? Thats a conclusion unsupported by the evidence, i.e. the sighting towers that run all the way at least to Flagstaff and out along the 'ceremonial' roads into New Mexico. "Local"? Hardly. Its not even 'local' by todays standards. And thats just the western states. I won't get into the Tennessee, Ohio, Georgia or Wisconsin prol
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Pacal
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Duncan Craig Wrote:
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> Pacal Wrote:
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> > You say:
> >
> > <quote>but their traces are in Chaco
> Canyon
> > with the twenty three signal towers along the
> tall
> > buttes and the cliff dwellings with
> difficult
>
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bernard
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Pacal Wrote:
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> You say:
>
> <quote>but their traces are in Chaco Canyon
> with the twenty three signal towers along the tall
> buttes and the cliff dwellings with difficult
> access, or the pallisades that sprang up around
> the Mound villages in Missouri. Sure its a leap,
> but when Kublai is massing
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Duncan Craig
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Ancient History
Kat,
I had not re-looked at "the 1421" theory, since the tv special a couple years ago. Thanks for the link.
Wade's Challenge on The etymology of the names on the map, issued on "24 March 2006" is a very strong argument that the map is a fake. I guess Menzies theory is dead (you already knew this, though).
Thanks for the link.
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rich
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Ancient History
"The gaur, a large, thick-coated ox found in Asia, is also known as the Indian Bison. Bison are distinct from buffalo, with the only two species holding that name being the Asian Water Buffalo and African Buffalo."
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Choosing a date so far back in history will not be taken seriously without overwhelming evidence.
You would also need to establish that the "boat
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rich
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Ancient History
I would say that the general idea in the Chinese world is that Egypt and Mesopotamia were wayyy ahead of the Chinese, though obviously i can only speak for the Chinese people i know (and what i've heard from the Chinese media). As for the educational misrepresentations and glorifications, i personally have not seen it myself, though, given the widely known and trumpeted "5000 years of h
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darkuser
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Ancient History
Duncan Craig Wrote:
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bernard wrote
> > Seems like a very strict standard given that
> you
> > build a whole theory on :
> >
> > "From China, James Legges translation of the
> Tao
> > Te Ching, there is Lao Tzus advice to the
> ruler,
> > "I would make the people return to the use
> of
> > knotted cords instead of writt
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bernard
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Ancient History
bernard Wrote:
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> > Katherine Reece Wrote:
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> > > Quote:[...] archaeologist Ruth Shady
> Solis of
> > the
> > > Nationa
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Duncan Craig
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Ancient History
I just received this:
Considerable new material has been added to the www.1421exposed.com website including:
Gavin Menzies Cartographic Fiction: The Case Of The Chinese ‘Discovery’ of Australia - Associate Professor W.A.R. (Bill) Richardson
Walrus Pitch & Other Novelties: Gavin Menzies & the Far North - Kirsten Seaver
1421 and all that Junk - Emeritus Professor Victor Presco
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Doug Weller
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Ancient History
If he was a court enuch he wouldn't have been a native Turk, they gelded their
slaves, not themselves, (as the Chinese sometimes did). This would make Zeng he
either a 'white' Eunuch - ie: a European. Or a 'black' Eunuch - ie: an African.
Does Menzies have any grounds for this theory or is he just letting his imagination
roam free?
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Roxana Cooper
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Ancient History
Those are more interesting questions than Menzies speculations. he was a Turk and a very special one at that. A member of the Turkish ruling court as he was a eunich.
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donald r raab
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Ancient History
I admit to not having read much pseudohistory, or even other debated subjects like "Black Athena". Maybe a glance at Heaven's Mirror and Gavin Menzies' 1421. I also don't read much in terms of modern historiography and scholarship. This might seem strange since this board mainly discusses these publications. In other words, a lot of my posts and comments on this board wer
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darkuser
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Ancient History
Pacal Wrote:
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> You say:
>
Quote:Yes. It was written in the early Han, and
> describes an expedition circa 2250 bc.
>
> Which of course would make it like the Yellow
> Emperor entirely mythical. Along with the Nine
> tailed Fox and the human headed snake.
Mythical or thoroughly, empirically mapped....a cont
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Duncan Craig
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Ancient History
You say:
QuoteYes. It was written in the early Han, and describes an expedition circa 2250 bc.
Which of course would make it like the Yellow Emperor entirely mythical. Along with the Nine tailed Fox and the human headed snake.
You say:
Quote> As for Peng Lai and Fusang that tired old idea has
> been mined over and over again.
Yes, Since 1875 as a matter of fact, and DeGuig
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Pacal
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Ancient History
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> Your date of 2250 B.C.E., for the 'Classic of
> Mountains and Seas' or Shan Hai Jing, is likely in
> error. According to Wikepedia its in the late
> warring states period and into the early Han
> period it was written. (c. 500-150 B.C.E.) See .
Yes. It was written in the early Han, and describ
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Duncan Craig
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Ancient History
Jammer Wrote:
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> "> Which is why it is curious that Zheng Hes
> logs were burned in the middle of the night
> > on orders of Liu Ta-Hsia, Vice President of
> the War Office in 1477. "
>
> They obviously didn't erase everything or we
> wouldn't know his name, date of sail, areas
> vi
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Duncan Craig
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Ancient History
OK but beware of overgeneralization. Menzies cannot be categorized with Plato. I agree that academia is unsurpassed when the job is accumulating information and presenting it in a useful format. However, they aren't necessarily the best thinkers. One has to have data to do what they do and since the event horizon is so close when studying history, for the long term one has to rely on ske
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Joe Schiller
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Ancient History
two new expert papers:
1421 and all that Junk - Emeritus Professor Victor Prescott, Melbourne
University
Walrus Pitch and Other Novelties: Gavin Menzies and the Far North - Kirsten
A. Seaver
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Doug Weller
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Ancient History
From the Programs website
One of the Panalists says:
QuoteThis is a very caluculated effort by the puiblishers to make money at the expense of public edification. They know that they are deceiving. They know that what they produced was rubbish. They created it to make money, fabricated "evidence" and then called it "history".
And it is not just Transworld, and Bantam
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Pacal
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Ancient History
Junk History
QuoteSo was "1421" an eccentric and fluky publishing success? Well no. Junk History tells how Menzies, his agent, his PR company and publisher set out to milk a public thirsty for revisionist history. Menzies hired professional spin-doctors to create hype about a half formed idea. Transworld, which also publishes Dan Brown’s "Da Vinci Code", paid Menzies, a
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Katherine Reece
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Ancient History
> 1) The more efficient writing system in the West.
>
> 2) The greater exploitation of writing in the West
> in terms of numbers of printed works.
Britannica
Chinese writing and Semitic writing constitute the two great writing systems of the world. Just as the Semitic writing system was fundamental to the evolution of modern writing systems in the West, Chinese script was f
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darkuser
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Ancient History
Duncan Craig Wrote:
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> Yes, he is. Menzies trained him.
Ah man thank you! I needed that laugh today!
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Katherine Reece
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Ancient History
Katherine Reece Wrote:
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> Chiasson said, "They’re not trained in Chinese
> archeology" ... and Chiasson is??
Yes, he is. Menzies trained him.
>
>
>
> Kat
>
> Owner/Head Moderator
> The Hall of Ma'at
> Amun: Co-Owner/Co-Moderator
> Contributing author to Archaeological Fantasi
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Duncan Craig
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Ancient History
This kind of "poor guy doing justice for Bosnia" mentality echoes Gavin Menzies' "poor guy doing justice for China" mentality. Considering their methods of conduct and intention to misinform, neither of them deserve the sympathy apologetics and enthusiasts seek for them, and tainting the associated country's history and historiography is simply unforgivable.
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darkuser
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Ancient History
Menzies as an "expert" on genetics? what a laugh. Look at my postings on maat on the genetic problems in 1421. Frudakis refused to give me his "paper" supporting the claims in 1421, So much for openess is science.
Bernard
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bernard
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Laboratory