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Doug Weller
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Laboratory
Igster wrote:
"M Igster wrote:
"Mr. Osmaanagic has no expertise, which is
untrue statement."
The fact that Mr. Osmanagic is quite ignorant of the difference
between natural geologic features (i.e. jointed bedrock, folded
bedrock, Leisegang banding, and ripple marks) and manmade stone
work and decorations certainly speaks volumes about his lack of
expertise in bot
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Paul H.
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Ancient History
The Palermo Stone is fifth dynasty and records events, etc back to the unification. See: It has quantitative records of the inundation going back something like 500 or 600 years. They had an infrastructure in place that could have recorded virtually anything they wanted.
It's a bit like 1421 - the Chinese could have done everything Menzies suggests. The guys who designed and built the Gi
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John Wall
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Ancient History
A likely example of Mr. Osmanagic and his experts being completely
confused by natural geologic features in their ongoing excavations
of the hills, which they believe to be man-made pyramids, are the
"Stone Balls", which are discussed at length at .
In this page, they claim that these stone balls are of man-made
origin, completely disregarding pictures posted on one of their
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Paul H.
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Ancient History
Paul H. Wrote:
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> Campbell wrote:
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> "Yes, Paul, but how did this Olmec sphere get
> from Diquis, Costa Rica to Bosnia? :-)"
>
> Is it marked "Made in Mexico"? :-) :-) Stone
> spheres, both man-
> made and natural are quite common. Lots of people
> make stone
> spheres. Also, t
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bernard
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Ancient History
Campbell wrote:
"Yes, Paul, but how did this Olmec sphere get
from Diquis, Costa Rica to Bosnia? :-)"
Is it marked "Made in Mexico"? :-) :-) Stone spheres, both man-
made and natural are quite common. Lots of people make stone
spheres. Also, this sphere also could be a natural spherical
concretion as illustrated in:
Hanson, W. D., and J. M. Howard, 2005, Spheri
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Paul H.
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Ancient History
The Newport Tower in Rhode Island has been used in the past by various alternative history writers as evidence of Pre-Columbian contact. This practice continues today and can be seen in Gavin Menzies’ book 1421 where he claims the tower was constructed by the Chinese.
The “evidence” that these writers cite for a construction by someone other than the early European settlers of Newport is the
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Katherine Reece
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Ancient History
i'm sure most of us remember that a spin off idea of Gavin Menzies' book 1421 (see Ma'at articles here and here was that the Chinese settled on Cape Breton Island, eastern Canada.
The book has now been released ... the website is available
I've been in contact with Dr. Geoffery Wade and have learned that he and some other Chinese history experts have developed a website
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Katherine Reece
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Ancient History
Salsassin Wrote:
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>but really he is what in Spanish we call a menso.
>
~chuckles~
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Katherine Reece
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Ancient History
See Menzies sees himself as a member of Menza, but really he is what in Spanish we call a menso.
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Salsassin
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Ancient History
This is bad. And you thought Dan Brown and Graham Hancock didn't or couldn't fall under the same category...the next minute, we're going to have Gavin Menzies' endorsement, whose book, i repeat, is the only pseudo-historical work that is currently sharing the shelves with mainstream history books...and looks to stay....
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darkuser
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Paper Lens
Read the articles.
Menzies is utterlly out to lunch. And his dismissal of the huge amount of evidence that the Moari are Polynesians is risible.
Of course what is fasinating is the attitude Menzies reveals. It is wonderfully condescending.
Some more reasons to place everything Menzies says in the "deemed false until proven otherwise" category.
Pierre
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Pacal
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Ancient History
Menzies against the Maoris" by Michael Fields, Dominion Post
(Wellington, New Zealand, May 6, 2006,
Writer trashes origins of Maori, Monday, May 8. 2006,
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Paul H.
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Ancient History
Geoff and I have just been responding to another poster on MapHist about Menzies, Geoff's post is at
Mine, concentrating on Cedric Bell, is at
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Doug Weller
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Ancient History
Geoff had a really good write up on everything that is wrong with the map ... from incorrect names used for countries and Zheng He himself and place names that were out of time....
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Katherine Reece
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Ancient History
Dear Friends,
While reading through what I could find posted to the Internet about
the Menzies' "1418 Map", I came across a number of web pages, which
might be of interest to people on this subject. They are:
Map Web Pages
(1.). Release of the 1418, Map and Talk: Did China discover the world?
by Liu Gang by Steve, Beijing Lives, January 11, 2006,
(2.) There are a nu
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Paul H.
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Ancient History
Hi
On my Web site www.feralkiwi.co.nz on one of the 4 pages there is a photo of the twin or "peanut" boulders on the beach 15km south of Moeraki, that Gavin Menzies also groups into his theory. I have emailed this and other pics to him. He was unaware of these twins, not supproseing as on my last visit to that beach they were covered by sand and I couldn't locate them.
More Pic
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Owen Pearson
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Ancient History
From Menzies' website
Liu Gang to reveal AMS dating results of 1418 map, and a refutation to the critics of the map
On March 22nd 2006 at the Bookworm Club, Beijing, Liu Gang, owner of the 1418 / 1763 map will release the AMS dating results of his map, and issue a point-by-point rebuttal of criticisms of his map. Dr Gunnar Thompson and Gavin Menzies will also issue statements on why they b
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Doug Weller
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Ancient History
Who knows. I just read that article to the link you posted. Looks like this Menzies cooked up most of his book.
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Steve LeMaster
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Ancient History
Steve LeMaster Wrote:
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> Who's this Gavin Menzies?
A retired English navy person who published a book 1421 claiming that the Chinese admiral Cheng He sailed to the New Word and explored both coasts leaving a number of traces. Menzies is a gifted publicist and is making a mint of money. There are a number of posts on Maat on his c
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bernard
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Ancient History
They have a case if it's fiction...and if the author says so and sold it as such. The question is not so much to do with truth as it is to do with publishing. Gavin Menzies, GH&RB etc. have all written such books but shops have not been consistent with categories. Gavin Menzies is in "History" or worst "Chinese History" Hancock and Bauval are in "Spirit and Mind
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darkuser
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Coffee Shop
Actually i would say it's up to the publisher. Gavin Menzies' book has been called non-fiction for as long as i can remember....
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darkuser
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Coffee Shop
The following comment on the Liu/Menzies map appeared in the Xin-jing bao (The Beijing News) newspaper. It was authored by Professor Zhou Zhen-he, of the Chinese Geography Research Institute of Fu-dan University, Shang-hai. Professor Zhou is a highly respected geographer and this rebuttal has proven quite authoritative in China.
(Draft translation by Geoff Wade 23 January 2006)
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Doug Weller
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Ancient History
Pacal Wrote:
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> I suppose it could depend on the severity of the
> drought, certainly something caused them to
> abandon Chaco and then build those extrodinary
> cliff dwellings and then ashort time later (at
> most 2 centuries probably less) abandon most of
> them. This does seem like the behavior of people
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Stephanie
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Ancient History
You say:
QuoteDrought may have been an additional strain but, ttbomk, it hasn't been seen as having enough cause for them to go to such extremes. Cliff dwelling complexes were not isolated. Mesa Verde alone has 600 cliff dwellings contained within the canyons on it, several of which were quite close to other cliff dwellings, with whom they probably shared the same water sources.
I suppo
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Pacal
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Ancient History
you say:
QuoteI could never understand why, 1) in a time of drought, the tribes would pull away from the river bottoms, 2) why this social upheavel extended into the Mississsippian cultures where drought wasn't an issue, and 3) how these sighting towers in a straight line across hundreds of miles of the southwest had anything to do with 'small groups of invaders'.
If the river
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Pacal
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Ancient History
Pierre wrote:
QuoteExtensive stone walls and other fortrifications were built around Hakata bay by the Japanese, and other preparations made. So that when in 1281 the Mongols came in a far more massive fleet, (one from Korea, another from China), apparently numbering over 100,000 men the Japanes were ready. Beginning on June 23 when the Mongols landed again at Hakata bay the fighting was inten
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Anthony
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Ancient History
Pacal Wrote:
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> It also seems to have been a time of drought and
> the breakdown of the Chaco Canyon complex. I
> suspect the cliff dwelling were simply dwelling
> built to protect small groups of survivors from
> each other and not from any invaders.
Drought may have been an additional strain but, ttbomk, it h
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Stephanie
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Ancient History