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May 6, 2024, 6:58 am UTC    
October 09, 2007 08:24AM
Hello Ronald,

You write, ‘Imo, the work in the SC was halted in an early stage, not only due to the survival of Khufu but also due to the ambition by which this pharaoh is characterized. Let's not forget that this SC may have had a very symbolic function (too).’

Okay, let me try a different approach.
Let’s assume for the sake of this discussion that Khufu died several years after the Subterranean Chamber was (partly) excavated and more than, say, a year before the Queen’s Chamber was built.
What in your opinion would then have happened to Khufu’s mortal remains and his part-built pyramid?


As for the Subterranean Chamber possibly having a symbolic function.
I suggest that this Chamber with a Shaft in the floor is a nod to earlier pyramid interiors.
When I look at sections of the pyramids pre-Khufu and then look at a section of Khufu’s pyramid I get the distinct impression that the person/s who designed Khufu’s pyramid was/were deliberately incorporating into it aspects from the tombs/temples of Khufu’s ancestors/predecessors (the KC and QC shafts appear to be an exception).
But it is something that appears to start tailing off immediately after Khufu (as witnessed by the pyramids of Djedfre, Khafre, and Menkare).
I have no suggestions to make as to why Khufu’s architect would have done this; my knowledge of 4th Dyn. Religion/magic/science isn’t up to the job.


You write, ‘… we have two pharaoh's who apparently reigned about equally long. Nevertheless, Khafre did not built his chambers above ground-level and he built only two of them. Khufu built three of them, of which two above ground-level + long passages + a really impressive Grand Gallery + long shafts + 'relieving chambers'.
Why this difference ? By the way, look at the similarities between Khafre's and Menkaure's (who died early).

Well, adding to my paragraph above I would suggest that there was a fundamental shift in attitudes towards the king and his pyramid.
I have a vague recollection that after Khufu the king was seen as the son of god and not god incarnate – well, something along these lines.
And the abrupt shift to pyramids with smaller superstructures (note how Khafre cleverly built a [slightly] smaller pyramid on higher ground) and less complex interiors suggests to me that suddenly the people decided they had had enough of their kings building such massive structures.
I suppose one could see it as a major socio-economic change occurring with the end of Khufu’s reign.

I must remind you that all of this is pure speculation on my part, and I am well out of my depth…


You write, ‘Imo, the GP obviously is the result of a very personal view on resurrection and the Afterlife by a very ambitious pharaoh.’

I tend to see it as more an inevitable culmination of things starting with the religious beliefs and the mastaba tombs of an earlier time.

MJ



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/09/2007 08:28AM by MJ Thomas.
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Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

Ronald October 08, 2007 02:17AM

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David Johnson October 08, 2007 03:36AM

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Jon_B October 08, 2007 03:48AM

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Ronald October 08, 2007 05:53AM

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MJ Thomas October 08, 2007 06:18AM

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C Wayne Taylor October 08, 2007 07:23AM

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Jon_B October 08, 2007 07:37AM

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C Wayne Taylor October 08, 2007 07:54AM

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Ronald October 08, 2007 07:55AM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

MJ Thomas October 08, 2007 12:00PM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

Ronald October 08, 2007 12:36PM

Relieving Chambers and their function

Anthony October 08, 2007 01:04PM

Re: Relieving Chambers and their function

Ronald October 08, 2007 04:31PM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

MJ Thomas October 08, 2007 02:37PM

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Anthony October 08, 2007 03:18PM

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MJ Thomas October 08, 2007 04:04PM

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Anthony October 08, 2007 07:03PM

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MJ Thomas October 09, 2007 04:01AM

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MJ Thomas October 09, 2007 12:47PM

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Ronald October 08, 2007 05:06PM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

MJ Thomas October 08, 2007 06:00PM

I'll take these

Anthony October 08, 2007 07:07PM

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MJ Thomas October 09, 2007 04:27AM

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C Wayne Taylor October 09, 2007 06:14AM

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Anthony October 09, 2007 02:28PM

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Anthony October 09, 2007 02:27PM

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MJ Thomas October 09, 2007 04:23PM

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Warwick L Nixon October 09, 2007 04:33PM

Moderation note to sub-thread

Hermione October 09, 2007 04:43PM

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Warwick L Nixon October 09, 2007 09:35PM

Brilliant analogy!

Anthony October 10, 2007 08:53AM

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Warwick L Nixon October 09, 2007 04:26PM

Re: I'll take these

MJ Thomas October 09, 2007 04:59PM

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Warwick L Nixon October 09, 2007 09:11PM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

Ronald October 09, 2007 01:08AM

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MJ Thomas October 08, 2007 02:07PM

Later Entries

Anthony October 08, 2007 02:13PM

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Tommi Huhtamaki October 08, 2007 02:24PM

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Anthony October 08, 2007 02:31PM

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Tommi Huhtamaki October 08, 2007 02:32PM

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Anthony October 08, 2007 03:15PM

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MJ Thomas October 08, 2007 04:12PM

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MJ Thomas October 12, 2007 01:13PM

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MJ Thomas October 08, 2007 03:57PM

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RLH October 08, 2007 09:42PM

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MJ Thomas October 09, 2007 05:50AM

A separate tunnel

David Johnson October 09, 2007 06:53AM

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Anthony October 09, 2007 02:30PM

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RLH October 09, 2007 06:30PM

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Anthony October 09, 2007 08:27PM

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RLH October 09, 2007 10:09PM

"Digging" versus "Block Removal"

Anthony October 10, 2007 04:00AM

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MJ Thomas October 10, 2007 04:44AM

Here we go again, and a request

Anthony October 10, 2007 08:41AM

Moderation note

Hermione October 10, 2007 08:56AM

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RLH October 10, 2007 07:20PM

Re: Later Entries

RLH October 09, 2007 06:28PM

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Anthony October 09, 2007 08:40PM

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RLH October 09, 2007 10:13PM

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Warwick L Nixon October 09, 2007 10:17PM

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RLH October 09, 2007 10:30PM

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Warwick L Nixon October 10, 2007 12:12AM

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MJ Thomas October 10, 2007 04:22AM

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Anthony October 10, 2007 09:24AM

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MJ Thomas October 10, 2007 06:18PM

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Anthony October 11, 2007 04:31PM

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Warwick L Nixon October 12, 2007 12:17PM

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Hermione October 12, 2007 12:22PM

Jenga

Anthony October 12, 2007 03:32PM

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Hermione October 12, 2007 04:02PM

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Anthony October 12, 2007 05:37PM

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Anthony October 10, 2007 03:55AM

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RLH October 10, 2007 06:57PM

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MJ Thomas October 11, 2007 04:23AM

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Anthony October 11, 2007 04:43PM

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RLH October 11, 2007 11:14PM

Re: Later Entries

C Wayne Taylor October 12, 2007 09:19AM

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RLH October 13, 2007 02:21PM

Centered entries, and being fooled by bad graphics

Anthony October 12, 2007 03:38PM

Moderation note

Tommi Huhtamaki October 12, 2007 03:51PM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

MJ Thomas October 09, 2007 03:48AM

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Ronald October 09, 2007 06:12AM

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Ritva Kurittu October 09, 2007 06:42AM

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Ronald October 09, 2007 04:31PM

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Anthony October 10, 2007 09:51AM

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Ronald October 10, 2007 04:06PM

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Anthony October 10, 2007 06:14PM

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Ronald October 11, 2007 06:17AM

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Anthony October 12, 2007 03:35PM

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MJ Thomas October 09, 2007 08:24AM

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Ronald October 09, 2007 04:49PM

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MJ Thomas October 09, 2007 05:37PM

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Ronald October 10, 2007 01:17AM

Ron & MJT

Anthony October 10, 2007 11:21AM

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Ritva Kurittu October 10, 2007 02:07PM

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Anthony October 10, 2007 02:36PM

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Ronald October 10, 2007 04:11PM

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Ritva Kurittu October 10, 2007 09:19PM

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Warwick L Nixon October 13, 2007 12:15PM

Brilliant line of reasoning

Anthony October 14, 2007 10:58AM

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