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May 6, 2024, 5:46 am UTC    
October 08, 2007 02:31PM
Tommi Huhtamaki Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Quote:
> >
> > It is quite probable that the main entrance
> of
> > Khufu's pyramid at Giza was actually known in
> the
> > time of Caliph Mahmun. Strabo indicates it
> was
> > known in 20BCE, and we really have no reason
> to
> > think it would have been lost or forgotten
> over
> > the years. Since we have no evidence to
> suggest
> > the location of the entrance was lost, then
> it is
> > likely that it was used by many people to
> explore
> > the subterranean passage.
>
>
> I really don't understand the logic of this. So we
> have no evidence that it was lost, and I gather
> that we have no evidence it was known? And from
> this lack of knowledge either way you jump to
> -> "it is likely that it was used by many
> people to explore the subterranean passage"?
>
> I hope I am misunderstanding something... what is
> it?
>
>


Yes, I worded it poorly. The subterranean PASSAGE was never lost at any time. The secret shaft that leads FROM the subterranean passage up to the Grand Gallery, however, became choked and "lost" until emptied from above... by Petrie, I think.


I base my conclusion on the debunking of the fact that Mamun supposedly knew about the entire descending passage because he talks about the stone falling from the ceiling of the passage. This claim seems rather far-fetched, as the sound would have had to travel through about 30 feet of core masonry. Add to this the noise of his own men working in the tunnel, and the tunnel being 30 feet away (and yet the movement that was supposed to jar the piece loose was the men tunneling!). This just doesn't make sense, and the other scenario clearly does.

It's also extraordinarily fortuitous that he just HAPPENED to pick a spot exactly parallel to the inner passage and tunneled almost directly to it, turning at just the right time to hit the joint just above the first granite block, and then cleared out both sides. Wow. Talk about luck. The ONLY tunnel into the pyramid, and he hits it spot on with his first try!

No, it didn't happen that way at all. He carved in a tunnel to go around the granite plug stones without disturbing them. In order to do that, he had to know the plug stones were there. In order to know that, he had to have been in the descending passageway. Ergo, the DP was never "lost".

Anthony

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him think.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/08/2007 02:50PM by Anthony.
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Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

Ronald October 08, 2007 02:17AM

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David Johnson October 08, 2007 03:36AM

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Jon_B October 08, 2007 03:48AM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

Ronald October 08, 2007 05:53AM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

MJ Thomas October 08, 2007 06:18AM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

C Wayne Taylor October 08, 2007 07:23AM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

Jon_B October 08, 2007 07:37AM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

C Wayne Taylor October 08, 2007 07:54AM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

Ronald October 08, 2007 07:55AM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

MJ Thomas October 08, 2007 12:00PM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

Ronald October 08, 2007 12:36PM

Relieving Chambers and their function

Anthony October 08, 2007 01:04PM

Re: Relieving Chambers and their function

Ronald October 08, 2007 04:31PM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

MJ Thomas October 08, 2007 02:37PM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

Anthony October 08, 2007 03:18PM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

MJ Thomas October 08, 2007 04:04PM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

Anthony October 08, 2007 07:03PM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

MJ Thomas October 09, 2007 04:01AM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

MJ Thomas October 09, 2007 12:47PM

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Ronald October 08, 2007 05:06PM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

MJ Thomas October 08, 2007 06:00PM

I'll take these

Anthony October 08, 2007 07:07PM

Re: I'll take these

MJ Thomas October 09, 2007 04:27AM

Re: I'll take these

C Wayne Taylor October 09, 2007 06:14AM

Re: I'll take these

Anthony October 09, 2007 02:28PM

Re: I'll take these

Anthony October 09, 2007 02:27PM

Re: I'll take these

MJ Thomas October 09, 2007 04:23PM

Re: I'll take these

Warwick L Nixon October 09, 2007 04:33PM

Moderation note to sub-thread

Hermione October 09, 2007 04:43PM

Re: I'll take these

Warwick L Nixon October 09, 2007 09:35PM

Brilliant analogy!

Anthony October 10, 2007 08:53AM

Re: I'll take these

Warwick L Nixon October 09, 2007 04:26PM

Re: I'll take these

MJ Thomas October 09, 2007 04:59PM

Re: I'll take these

Warwick L Nixon October 09, 2007 09:11PM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

Ronald October 09, 2007 01:08AM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

MJ Thomas October 08, 2007 02:07PM

Later Entries

Anthony October 08, 2007 02:13PM

Re: Later Entries

Tommi Huhtamaki October 08, 2007 02:24PM

Re: Later Entries

Anthony October 08, 2007 02:31PM

Re: Later Entries

Tommi Huhtamaki October 08, 2007 02:32PM

Re: Later Entries

Jon_B October 08, 2007 02:53PM

Re: Later Entries

Anthony October 08, 2007 03:15PM

Re: Later Entries

MJ Thomas October 08, 2007 04:12PM

Re: Later Entries

MJ Thomas October 12, 2007 01:13PM

Re: Later Entries

MJ Thomas October 08, 2007 03:57PM

Re: Later Entries

RLH October 08, 2007 09:42PM

Re: Later Entries

MJ Thomas October 09, 2007 05:50AM

A separate tunnel

David Johnson October 09, 2007 06:53AM

Re: A separate tunnel

Anthony October 09, 2007 02:30PM

Re: A separate tunnel

RLH October 09, 2007 06:30PM

Re: A separate tunnel

Anthony October 09, 2007 08:27PM

Re: A separate tunnel

RLH October 09, 2007 10:09PM

"Digging" versus "Block Removal"

Anthony October 10, 2007 04:00AM

Re: "Digging" versus "Block Removal"

MJ Thomas October 10, 2007 04:44AM

Here we go again, and a request

Anthony October 10, 2007 08:41AM

Moderation note

Hermione October 10, 2007 08:56AM

Re: Here we go again, and a request

RLH October 10, 2007 07:20PM

Re: Later Entries

RLH October 09, 2007 06:28PM

Re: Later Entries

Anthony October 09, 2007 08:40PM

Re: Later Entries

RLH October 09, 2007 10:13PM

Re: Later Entries

Warwick L Nixon October 09, 2007 10:17PM

Re: Later Entries

RLH October 09, 2007 10:30PM

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Warwick L Nixon October 10, 2007 12:12AM

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MJ Thomas October 10, 2007 04:22AM

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Anthony October 10, 2007 09:24AM

Re: Later Entries

MJ Thomas October 10, 2007 06:18PM

Re: Later Entries

Anthony October 11, 2007 04:31PM

Re: Later Entries

Warwick L Nixon October 12, 2007 12:17PM

Re: Later Entries

Hermione October 12, 2007 12:22PM

Jenga

Anthony October 12, 2007 03:32PM

Re: Jenga

Hermione October 12, 2007 04:02PM

Re: Jenga

Anthony October 12, 2007 05:37PM

Re: Later Entries

Anthony October 10, 2007 03:55AM

Re: Later Entries

RLH October 10, 2007 06:57PM

Re: Later Entries

MJ Thomas October 11, 2007 04:23AM

Re: Later Entries

Anthony October 11, 2007 04:43PM

Re: Later Entries

RLH October 11, 2007 11:14PM

Re: Later Entries

C Wayne Taylor October 12, 2007 09:19AM

Re: Later Entries

RLH October 13, 2007 02:21PM

Centered entries, and being fooled by bad graphics

Anthony October 12, 2007 03:38PM

Moderation note

Tommi Huhtamaki October 12, 2007 03:51PM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

MJ Thomas October 09, 2007 03:48AM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

Ronald October 09, 2007 06:12AM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

Ritva Kurittu October 09, 2007 06:42AM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

Ronald October 09, 2007 04:31PM

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Anthony October 10, 2007 09:51AM

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Ronald October 10, 2007 04:06PM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

Anthony October 10, 2007 06:14PM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

Ronald October 11, 2007 06:17AM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

Anthony October 12, 2007 03:35PM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

MJ Thomas October 09, 2007 08:24AM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

Ronald October 09, 2007 04:49PM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

MJ Thomas October 09, 2007 05:37PM

Re: Comparison Khufu's QC and KC-chamber.

Ronald October 10, 2007 01:17AM

Ron & MJT

Anthony October 10, 2007 11:21AM

Re: Ron & MJT

Ritva Kurittu October 10, 2007 02:07PM

Re: Ron & MJT

Anthony October 10, 2007 02:36PM

Re: Ron & MJT

Ronald October 10, 2007 04:11PM

Re: Ron & MJT

Ritva Kurittu October 10, 2007 09:19PM

Re: Ron & MJT

Warwick L Nixon October 13, 2007 12:15PM

Brilliant line of reasoning

Anthony October 14, 2007 10:58AM

Re: Brilliant line of reasoning

Warwick L Nixon October 14, 2007 01:15PM



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