Morph Wrote:
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> 1. Can you show me where exactly Ursa Major is
> shown next to sAH? More importantly: how do you
> know the images are of Ursa Major and sAH?
> 2. Surely you do know, that the frame of the PTs
> is based on skylore, lore being the key-word. If
> Nut can be the whole sky, and Ursa Major can be a
> bull with a tail, then surely sAH, being so
> important in the context, can grab the Bulls's
> tail. And more importantly (again): you do realise
> what sAh grabbing the bull's tail means in the
> context of the deceased being re-born in the
> afterlife?
>
> Sure, there's Sah stood next to the bulls
thigh/Ursa Major on this one...
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1. sAh is not standing next to the bulls thigh. As you cxan see the table is divided by the text between the two sections. What does the text say, Morph?
2. Where does it say that the Thigh is Ursa Major? I am surprised that you are ready to take the BT as being Ursa Major... just because it suits your purposes?
> You're missimg the entire point of sky lore, which
> is the application of mythological drama onto
> constellations with regards to their respective
> associations, there has to be a visual frame of
> referance as to why Sah would inevitably reach up
> toward the bulls tail, if you identify Sah with
> Orion then there's no relationship there to
> consider in the first place, and the bull cannot
> be seen to assist the deceased into the
> afterlife.
For pete's sake, Morph!! What did grabbing the bulls' tail symbolise to the Egyptians? What you are missing is the fact, that since these texts are mythological and based on beliefs, they do not have to correspond 100% to reality as seen in the sky.
The deceased=Osiris=Orion=sAH was supposed to kill the bull of the NCP, in later times identified with Seth himself. In other words, when the text says sAh grabs the bulls tail, it does not mean that Orion is close to Ursa Major!!
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> What you don't seem to understand is the
> difference between the Decan Lists and the PTs.
> Maybe you should take a closer look into that, eh?
> Just FYI: the decan lists are actual listings of
> decan stars, whereas the PTs are a lore about what
> and how the deceaseed becomes a star. Can you see
> the difference? If yes, the surely you can see
> which type of evidence you should put your trust
> on when speaking actual stars and their movement.
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>
> Could you point out to me were i appear not to
> have understood there is a differance between
> Pyramid texts and Decan lists...?
I just did, above. Have you read Neugebauer, Bogo or Clagett?
>
> All evidence should be examined within proper
> context that much is obvious...
All evidence should be examined with the basic understanding of what one is examining!!!
Ritva