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May 5, 2024, 3:59 am UTC    
July 25, 2007 05:43AM
To follow up even more on my comments about the name Paatenemheb not being necessarily connected to the name Horemheb

The tomb of another Paatenemheb at Saqqara is also known, and in fact this entire tomb is on display in the Rijksmuseum in Leiden. This website, discussing Saqqara tombs, contains pictures of the second Paatenemheb's tomb, noting the following information:

Pa-atenemheb Time of Tutankhamen to maybe Horemheb.
Royal Butler (This title can be found in the 2nd picture of the 2nd row (on right))

Mother: Merytptah; Wife: Tipuy; Children: 2 unnamed daughters.
Known from a tomb-chapel in the Museum in Leiden. The chapel is the middle one of three cult-areas from the back of the tomb.

[Schneider, Raven: pg 94-95], [Martin pg 30, 36-37]

The bibliographical references are to the following works:

[Martin] G.T. Martin, Hidden Tombs of Memphis, Thames and Hudson, London 1991

[Schneider, Raven] H.D. Schneider and M.J. Raven, De Egyptische Oudheid, 1981, Rijksmuseum van Oudheden te Leiden.

MY COMMENT: So, again, we have the name of Paatenemheb existing during the same time period as Paatenemheb at Amarna and Horemheb - this time in Paatenemheb's tomb at Saqqara, which appears to probably not be the same Paatenemheb who was "General of the Armies" at Amarna, as the name of his mother is different from the Amarna Paatenemheb stela (as cited in Freed, Markowitz, el al, 1999: 271, No. 237), nor is his wife the same as that of Horemheb, whose known wives are Amenia while Horemheb was Generalissimo (Schneider 1996) and as king, Mutnedjmet (Martin 1991).

For me, this second Paatenemheb also argues against the presumption of a necessary conjunction between Horemheb with the Amarna Paatenemheb, simply due to similarity of name construction. Obviously, other "Paatenemhebs" existed, during the Amarna and post-Amarna period, and with no necessary name change to boot.

Reference

Freed, R. E., Y. J. Markowitz, et al., Eds. 1999. Pharaohs of the Sun: Akhenaten: Nefertiti: Tutankhamen. Boston: Museum Fine Arts/Bulfinch Press/Little, Brown and Company.

Martin, G. T. 1991. The Hidden Tombs of Memphis: New Discoveries from the Times of Tutankhamun and Ramesses the Great. New Aspects of Antiquity. C. Renfrew. New York: Thames and Hudson.

Schneider, H. D., C. J. Eyre, et al. 1996. The Memphite Tomb of Horemheb, Commander in Chief of Tutankhamun. II. A Catalogue of the Finds. Sixtieth Excavation Memoir. A. Leahy. London/Leiden: Egypt Exploration Society/Rijksmuseum van Oudheden.

HTH.

Katherine Griffis-Greenberg

Doctoral Candidate
Oriental Institute
Doctoral Programme in Oriental Studies [Egyptology]
Oxford University
Oxford, United Kingdom





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