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July 09, 2007 12:22PM
MJ Thomas Wrote:

> The only thing that clearly sets Khufu’s pyramid
> aside from its companions is its having passages
> and chambers with shafts high up in the
> superstructure.
> And this is based on the not unreasonable
> assumption that no other pyramid has passages and
> chambers (with or without shafts) high up in its
> superstructure.

There's also the bifurcation of the sides. The existence of the grotto and the fact that a tunnel was cut through existing structure to connect it to the rest of the passages. The natural fissure just to the north may be unique among the pyramids (though one at Khafre's would not be surprising). Moveable doors at the King's Chamber are not repeated in other pyramids. It's the only pyramid with air shafts. It's size sets it apart (except for Khafre's) to the degree that the others could have been built using the methods usually attributed to them.

While there are natural caverns at some other pyramid, I believe this is the only one to have them incorporated into the structure (in two places no less- - at the grotto and in the descending passage.). This is the only pyramid in which "foreign" sand has been found. Of course, if it existed elsewhere there would be a very low probability it would be known, but this is so incredible it always bears repeating. It's (the pair) is the last of the great pyramids. After these, time and effort put into pyramids plummeted.

It's part of the only series of pyramids known to have an alignment with the seasons. These point SW toward Heliopolis. There are large post holes around the area. I believe the girdle stones in the ascending passage are unique to this structure.

There are many more things that make it unique but they may be coincidental.

> Though it is not known for certain how the 4th-5th
> Dyn pyramids were built (i.e. raising the blocks
> into place) I see no reason to invoke anything
> beyond ramps, ropes, levers/fulcrums, mass
> manpower, and sheer guts and determination to
> achieve the impossible.
> As to its purpose, I can’t see it as being
> anything more than part of a job creation scheme,
> a tomb for the king/pharaoh, and a monument to the
> king/pharaoh.
> Can you say what, in your view, other purposes it
> served?

Ramps were not the primary means for lifting stones of the Great Pyramid. They are simply ruled out by the lack of evidence for them. Sure, it's not impossible, nothing is impossible, they could have been made of sand and paved with tefla and they just blew away over time. But there's no evidence for ramps. The actual evidence loudly says there were no ramps. The quarry is a U-shaped pit to the south. The tops of the U ramp up toward the pyramid but it is far too close to continue upward at a manageable angle.

Levers and fulcrums are a virtual impossibility. There simply isn't time to lever these up the sides.

Manpower and guts alone can not move a mountain. The size of this mountain is so great that they would starve if they tried.

> > > Sorry, I can’t see where a “greater
> > availability
> > > of water” comes into this.
> > > Please could you elaborate?
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > MJ

This is what I'd like to know as well and is the crux of the whole matter, I believe. This area appears to have been a critical farming area to the ancients. It is the "horizon" from which the herbs came. Not only does water account for how it might have been built but may also be much of the reason it was built. It's not only this pyramid that is heavily associated with water but some of the South American and Egyptian pyramids to the south. Even some of the large mounds have been found to have underground streams.

The water has dried up and now lies close by under the surface. The annual rainfall has decreased as well. There was probably a western arm of the Nile which flowed by this point but today it's headwaters are being pumped to water the thirsty cities of north Africa. The Sahara has moved ever closer to the Nile and has brought its sand right onto the Giza Plateau. Still the water runs deep under this area coming from far to the south.

Long in the past there was a fiord (probably just to the west of Giza) running all the way back to Aswan. As this filled in the limestones of Giza had plenty of time develop caverns. These caverns remained when the river changed directions and flowed east of Giza.

I think Make-Work is a modern concept. It's difficult to imagine ancient peoples doing work that had no purpose. Most ancient people had little choice but to toil continuously for the bare necessities of life and would hardly be eager to move around piles of rock just to stay busy. There were possibly several sufficient reasons to build these and it wouldn't be surprising if they even had some fun at it but it seems improbable that they were intended as a means to keep people busy or merely as a tomb for a single god.

Among its other functions, perhaps the Great Pyramid served as a launcher for many Pharoahs. It wasn't so much a tomb as a place where people came to see a new God be launched.






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Subject Author Posted

Basic question: Pyramids - why did they bother?

MJ Thomas July 06, 2007 01:25PM

Conspicuous Consumption

Roxana Cooper July 06, 2007 01:38PM

Re: Conspicuous Consumption

MJ Thomas July 06, 2007 05:07PM

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Graham Chase July 07, 2007 02:24AM

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MJ Thomas July 07, 2007 12:54PM

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Kanga July 08, 2007 12:29AM

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Roxana Cooper July 07, 2007 11:12AM

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MJ Thomas July 07, 2007 04:51AM

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Don Barone July 07, 2007 07:40AM

Re: Conspicuous Consumption

Roxana Cooper July 07, 2007 11:22AM

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Alcibiades July 09, 2007 03:17PM

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Roxana Cooper July 09, 2007 04:59PM

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Alcibiades July 10, 2007 09:24AM

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Roxana Cooper July 10, 2007 11:28AM

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Alcibiades July 10, 2007 12:15PM

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Roxana Cooper July 10, 2007 04:46PM

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Alcibiades July 11, 2007 04:28PM

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MJ Thomas July 07, 2007 01:09PM

Re: Conspicuous Consumption

Hermione July 07, 2007 01:54PM

Re: Conspicuous Consumption

Warwick L Nixon July 07, 2007 10:19AM

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Roxana Cooper July 07, 2007 11:16AM

Re: Basic question: Pyramids - why did they bother?

cladking July 06, 2007 03:04PM

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MJ Thomas July 07, 2007 12:48PM

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cladking July 07, 2007 03:02PM

Re: Basic question: Pyramids - why did they bother?

MJ Thomas July 09, 2007 10:51AM

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Warwick L Nixon July 09, 2007 11:03AM

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MJ Thomas July 09, 2007 11:49AM

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Warwick L Nixon July 10, 2007 11:21AM

Re: Basic question: Pyramids - why did they bother?

cladking July 09, 2007 12:22PM

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MJ Thomas July 09, 2007 05:43PM

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Scott Creighton July 09, 2007 06:09PM

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Anthony July 09, 2007 06:26PM

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Scott Creighton July 09, 2007 06:44PM

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Anthony July 10, 2007 09:46AM

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Scott Creighton July 10, 2007 09:59AM

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David Johnson July 07, 2007 07:12AM

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MJ Thomas July 07, 2007 01:00PM

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Warwick L Nixon July 07, 2007 10:24AM

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MJ Thomas July 07, 2007 01:12PM

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Warwick L Nixon July 09, 2007 09:28AM

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Ritva Kurittu July 07, 2007 11:23AM

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MJ Thomas July 07, 2007 12:13PM

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Roxana Cooper July 08, 2007 11:30AM

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MJ Thomas July 10, 2007 06:54AM

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Jammer July 13, 2007 08:14AM

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Graham Chase July 08, 2007 01:30PM

Re: Basic question: Pyramids - why did they bother?

MJ Thomas July 09, 2007 11:45AM

Minor point

Anthony July 09, 2007 02:22PM

Re: Minor point

MJ Thomas July 10, 2007 07:28AM

Re: Minor point

Anthony July 10, 2007 09:09AM

"Pyramid as Star" concept

Anthony July 09, 2007 01:20PM

Re: "Pyramid as Star" concept

Warwick L Nixon July 10, 2007 11:25AM

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Anthony July 10, 2007 11:32AM

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Ritva Kurittu July 10, 2007 11:43AM

Re: "Pyramid as Star" concept

Anthony July 10, 2007 12:58PM

Re: "Pyramid as Star" concept

Warwick L Nixon July 13, 2007 10:50AM

Re: Basic question: Pyramids - why did they bother?

MJ Thomas July 07, 2007 01:24PM

Re: Basic question: Pyramids - why did they bother?

Ritva Kurittu July 07, 2007 02:21PM

Re: Basic question: Pyramids - why did they bother?

Anthony July 09, 2007 01:31PM

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Ritva Kurittu July 09, 2007 02:21PM

Re: Basic question: Pyramids - why did they bother?

Anthony July 09, 2007 05:25PM

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Ritva Kurittu July 10, 2007 11:39AM

Re: Basic question: Pyramids - why did they bother?

Anthony July 10, 2007 01:07PM

Re: Basic question: Pyramids - why did they bother?

Ritva Kurittu July 10, 2007 02:16PM

One basic answer: Pyramids - why they did bother

Anthony July 09, 2007 01:41PM

Re: One basic answer: Pyramids - why they did bother

MJ Thomas July 10, 2007 07:10AM

Re: One basic answer: Pyramids - why they did bother

Anthony July 10, 2007 09:19AM

Re: One basic answer: Pyramids - why they did bother

Jammer July 12, 2007 03:08PM

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Anthony July 12, 2007 06:54PM

Re: Basic question: Pyramids - why did they bother?

Clive July 17, 2007 12:13AM

Re: Basic question: Pyramids - why did they bother?

Jammer July 17, 2007 07:32AM

The soul, magic and death

Anthony July 17, 2007 10:14AM



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