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July 09, 2007 10:51AM
cladking Wrote:
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> MJ Thomas Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > Are you basing this primarily on the slope
> and
> > direction of the entrance passage in the
> pyramids
> > at Meidum, Dahshur, and Giza, and the shafts
> in
> > Khufu’s pyramid?
>
>
> No. The Great Pyramid is different than the
> others in numerous ways

The only thing that clearly sets Khufu’s pyramid aside from its companions is its having passages and chambers with shafts high up in the superstructure.
And this is based on the not unreasonable assumption that no other pyramid has passages and chambers (with or without shafts) high up in its superstructure.


> This is caused by an
> array of reasons from the method used in its
> construction to its purpose.


Though it is not known for certain how the 4th-5th Dyn pyramids were built (i.e. raising the blocks into place) I see no reason to invoke anything beyond ramps, ropes, levers/fulcrums, mass manpower, and sheer guts and determination to achieve the impossible.
As to its purpose, I can’t see it as being anything more than part of a job creation scheme, a tomb for the king/pharaoh, and a monument to the king/pharaoh.
Can you say what, in your view, other purposes it served?


> This is evidenced by
> the multitude of differences between this pyramid
> and all the others (except Khafre's is similar).

Please see above.
Does “all the others” include the pyramids of the 5th and 6th Dyns., or are you referring only to those of the 4th Dyn.?
When you say “except Khafre's is similar” which features do you have in mind?
Beyond part of the entrance passage, I see these two pyramid interiors as very different indeed.


> While there were many reasons it was built I think
> the builders envisioned it as a send off point for
> the pharoah.

But did this “sending off” really need a pyramid to make it happen?
If I understand Roxana, Ritva, Warwick et al correctly – and I shall stand corrected if I don’t – the pyramid was not actually essential to the proceedings.


> > Sorry, I can’t see where a “greater
> availability
> > of water” comes into this.
> > Please could you elaborate?
> > Thanks.
> >
> > MJ
> >
> Water was king to the ancients. Yes, they did
> farm the valley but they farmed the "desert" as
> well. When they died they didn't go to the valley
> but to the "horizon" and to the "west" where they
> could farm. The "east" was a sinister place from
> whence came their enemies.
>
> As the Sahara expanded over the centuries it
> brought sand ever closer to Giza but it was not
> until the 25th century BC that there was no longer
> enough water to farm the west side of the Nile.
> It was at this time that the soil dried up and
> blew away. Before 3000 BC there was ample water.
>
>
> This is important for a lot of reasons, obviously,
> but I believe it also accounts for the means of
> building these enormous structures; water filled
> counterweights to lift the stones up the opposite
> side.

I’m afraid your point escapes me… sad smiley

MJ
Subject Author Posted

Basic question: Pyramids - why did they bother?

MJ Thomas July 06, 2007 01:25PM

Conspicuous Consumption

Roxana Cooper July 06, 2007 01:38PM

Re: Conspicuous Consumption

MJ Thomas July 06, 2007 05:07PM

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Re: Conspicuous Consumption

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Re: Conspicuous Consumption

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Re: Conspicuous Consumption

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Re: Conspicuous Consumption

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Re: Basic question: Pyramids - why did they bother?

cladking July 06, 2007 03:04PM

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MJ Thomas July 07, 2007 12:48PM

Re: Basic question: Pyramids - why did they bother?

cladking July 07, 2007 03:02PM

Re: Basic question: Pyramids - why did they bother?

MJ Thomas July 09, 2007 10:51AM

Re: Basic question: Pyramids - why did they bother?

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Warwick L Nixon July 10, 2007 11:21AM

Re: Basic question: Pyramids - why did they bother?

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Graham Chase July 08, 2007 01:30PM

Re: Basic question: Pyramids - why did they bother?

MJ Thomas July 09, 2007 11:45AM

Minor point

Anthony July 09, 2007 02:22PM

Re: Minor point

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Re: Minor point

Anthony July 10, 2007 09:09AM

"Pyramid as Star" concept

Anthony July 09, 2007 01:20PM

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Re: "Pyramid as Star" concept

Anthony July 10, 2007 12:58PM

Re: "Pyramid as Star" concept

Warwick L Nixon July 13, 2007 10:50AM

Re: Basic question: Pyramids - why did they bother?

MJ Thomas July 07, 2007 01:24PM

Re: Basic question: Pyramids - why did they bother?

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Re: Basic question: Pyramids - why did they bother?

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Ritva Kurittu July 09, 2007 02:21PM

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Re: Basic question: Pyramids - why did they bother?

Ritva Kurittu July 10, 2007 02:16PM

One basic answer: Pyramids - why they did bother

Anthony July 09, 2007 01:41PM

Re: One basic answer: Pyramids - why they did bother

MJ Thomas July 10, 2007 07:10AM

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Re: Basic question: Pyramids - why did they bother?

Jammer July 17, 2007 07:32AM

The soul, magic and death

Anthony July 17, 2007 10:14AM



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