February 20, 2005 11:34AM
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Registered: 19 years ago
Posts: 8,618
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Hi Ritva,
> The question is, though, why is the view of the
> Ute and the Navajo so different?
I'm not sure it is different at all. Neither Stephanie nor her husband can speak for all Navajo, or even for a majority. They can speak for themselves. I'm bothered by the way this conversation has been going...if this site is about weighing the evidence,
ALL the evidence needs to be considered, including the source of what is being presented here as evidence.
Exactly where is all this information on skinwalkers coming from? If most Navajo will not discuss witchcraft, will not admit to having been witched, or have never been witched, where are all these examples from? Or are these general statements simply referring to a a few personal incidents experienced by Stephanie and her husand and his family? In that case, the tone used to discuss them is a bit misleading.
For example, Stephanie writes:
"Alot of times, one hears about chance encounters".
How many times and from whom?
"There are stories out there..."
How many stories? From what sources?
"Skinwalkers do not rush in full force onto the property of their victim. On the contrary, they take their time. To rush in could equal death and they use recognizance, rather like the military does, to prevent any surprises."
What is this based on? How many examples are known, from what sources that allow these kinds of conclusive statements.
"My husband recalls many nights on the ranch that were like this"
So then are these accounts all the memories of one man and his family? If so, why should we accept them as typical of Navajo culture or even an element of it, and not simply anecdotal accounts? I'm not suggesting they are not "real," but I am questioning the authoritive tone of Stephanie's writing how applicable her statements are for the entire nation.
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Stephanie |
February 18, 2005 01:25PM |
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Katherine Reece |
February 18, 2005 02:47PM |
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lobo-hotei |
February 18, 2005 03:13PM |
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Stephanie |
February 19, 2005 04:28PM |
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Ritva Kurittu |
February 18, 2005 03:10PM |
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Stephanie |
February 18, 2005 08:19PM |
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teacup |
February 18, 2005 08:39PM |
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Stephanie |
February 18, 2005 09:01PM |
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teacup |
February 18, 2005 09:11PM |
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Ritva Kurittu |
February 19, 2005 04:03AM |
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Stephanie |
February 18, 2005 04:32PM |
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Katherine Reece |
February 18, 2005 04:35PM |
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Stephanie |
February 19, 2005 02:38PM |
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lobo-hotei |
February 19, 2005 03:30PM |
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Katherine Reece |
February 18, 2005 06:21PM |
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cicely |
February 19, 2005 04:56PM |
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Katherine Reece |
February 19, 2005 05:23PM |
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John Wall |
February 19, 2005 05:34PM |
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Mercury Rapids |
February 20, 2005 06:50AM |
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Ritva Kurittu |
February 20, 2005 07:12AM |
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Joanne |
February 20, 2005 11:34AM |
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Ritva Kurittu |
February 20, 2005 12:30PM |
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stryfe |
February 20, 2005 01:43PM |
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Jane |
February 20, 2005 02:07PM |
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Joanne |
February 20, 2005 02:35PM |
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Jane |
February 20, 2005 02:56PM |
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Doug Weller |
February 20, 2005 03:15PM |
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Jane |
February 20, 2005 04:27PM |
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Joanne |
February 21, 2005 06:57PM |
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Jane |
February 26, 2005 09:18PM |
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stryfe |
February 20, 2005 03:05PM |
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Joanne |
February 21, 2005 07:00PM |
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Ritva Kurittu |
February 20, 2005 03:29PM |
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stryfe |
February 20, 2005 03:45PM |
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Ritva Kurittu |
February 20, 2005 03:53PM |
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stryfe |
February 20, 2005 04:17PM |
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Mercury Rapids |
February 20, 2005 04:19PM |
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Stephanie |
February 20, 2005 04:26PM |
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Ritva Kurittu |
February 20, 2005 04:30PM |
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Stephanie |
February 20, 2005 05:23PM |
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Ritva Kurittu |
February 20, 2005 09:29PM |
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Katherine Reece |
February 20, 2005 11:26PM |
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lobo-hotei |
February 20, 2005 04:46PM |
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Ritva Kurittu |
February 20, 2005 04:58PM |
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Stephanie |
February 20, 2005 06:12PM |
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Ritva Kurittu |
February 21, 2005 10:41AM |
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Stephanie |
February 21, 2005 12:53PM |
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Ritva Kurittu |
February 21, 2005 02:29PM |
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lobo-hotei |
February 21, 2005 06:55PM |
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Stephanie |
February 20, 2005 04:04PM |
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Jane |
February 20, 2005 04:26PM |
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Stephanie |
February 20, 2005 04:57PM |
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Jane |
February 20, 2005 05:32PM |
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Ritva Kurittu |
February 20, 2005 04:40PM |
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Stephanie |
February 20, 2005 05:07PM |
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Ritva Kurittu |
February 20, 2005 05:11PM |
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Jane |
February 20, 2005 05:22PM |
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Stephanie |
February 20, 2005 05:44PM |
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Jane |
February 20, 2005 11:03PM |
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Ritva Kurittu |
February 20, 2005 09:34PM |
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Jane |
February 20, 2005 10:42PM |
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Ritva Kurittu |
February 21, 2005 03:05PM |
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teacup |
February 21, 2005 05:17PM |
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Joanne |
February 21, 2005 06:20PM |
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Ritva Kurittu |
February 22, 2005 12:39PM |
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teacup |
February 22, 2005 01:08PM |
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Ritva Kurittu |
February 22, 2005 04:44PM |
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Stephanie |
February 22, 2005 03:47PM |
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Stephanie |
February 22, 2005 03:59PM |
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cicely |
February 22, 2005 04:40PM |
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Stephanie |
February 22, 2005 05:28PM |
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cicely |
February 22, 2005 05:32PM |
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Stephanie |
February 22, 2005 05:53PM |
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Ritva Kurittu |
February 22, 2005 05:02PM |
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Stephanie |
February 22, 2005 05:48PM |
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cicely |
February 22, 2005 05:55PM |
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Stephanie |
February 23, 2005 02:27AM |
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cicely |
February 23, 2005 09:25AM |
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Ritva Kurittu |
February 23, 2005 12:35PM |
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Stephanie |
February 23, 2005 01:18PM |
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cicely |
February 23, 2005 01:35PM |
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Stephanie |
February 23, 2005 09:36PM |
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Sue |
February 26, 2005 03:02PM |
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John Wall |
February 26, 2005 03:04PM |
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Jane |
February 26, 2005 09:25PM |
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Stephanie |
February 27, 2005 02:33PM |
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Sue |
February 27, 2005 04:44PM |
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Ritva Kurittu |
February 23, 2005 12:27PM |
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Jane |
February 26, 2005 09:21PM |
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Stephanie |
February 20, 2005 02:21PM |
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Ritva Kurittu |
March 02, 2005 03:24PM |
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Stephanie |
March 03, 2005 12:48PM |
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christinajaco |
March 11, 2005 12:17PM |
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Stephanie |
March 13, 2005 12:10AM |
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Lillian |
March 26, 2005 03:42PM |
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Stephanie |
April 01, 2005 04:05AM |
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Doug Weller |
February 18, 2005 07:06PM |