Doug Weller Wrote:
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> I know Atlantis fans like to think that 'Ad'
> refers to Atlantis, but that's stretching the
> story until it breaks.

My information doesn't come from Atlantis fans, who got it all wrong in the first place, but from the Koran and Muslims themselves, who teach the account of "Ad" in their schools, as I mentioned.

I think the claim
> originates with Ignatius Donnelly. The Adites are
> supposedly the chldren of Ad/Aad, Noah's
> great-great grandson,

And who was Noah, who, when he "saw the earth became inclined and destruction approached" went to the end of the earth to his grandfather Enoch (interchange of letters, Enoch and Noah are ages personified and that's why Enoch lived at the end or all over the world), and cried three times to Enoch to hear him, and tell him what's happening to the earth "for the earth labors, and is violently shaken."

the Adites lived in the
> southern Arabian peninsula, and their city,
> according to the Koran, was destroyed by a storm.
> The city was called Iram according to the Koran
> and one Sumerian tablet and is believed to have
> been the city called Ubar:

Like all such events, they are given a geological place and city, and a name, for the mind needs a form to grasp onto to get it, and some such city as Iram is destroyed by a storm of the human psyche, which many times is said to come from the "North" or head, a brain storm. Our psyche evolves with our body, and moreover with the body of the earth. And I say it again: Atlantis betokens the, yes, hundreds of millions of years of the successive evolution of the races, many races, from stone to vegetable to animal to man, according to the Kabalists, from the golden age to this one of lead-dead. How many upheavels can happen in such a time span, how many continents sink and rise again in such a time span? A day of Brahma is millions of years.
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> It was covered by the desert sands, and it's
> closest connection to Atlantis is its nickname (by
> Lawrence of Arabia according to the url above)
> "the Atlantis of the sands."

That's Hollywood for you.
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> If there was ever a physical pole shift, it was
> hundreds of millions of years ago.
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> You can find the Atlantis story anywhere if you
> change the story enough.

If you read the account of the Hopi, you have to change practically nothing, and in all the other accounts of planetary and earthly catastrophies the gist of the story is the same. It is only the content quiveling which prevents the seeing of the Whole.
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> I agree, Plato was writing to instruct. But that
> doesn't make his story of Atlantis factual,

he was
> writing a political morality tale.

No, pardon me, he was writing about earth and human history as he (think Solon) learned it from the Egyptian Adepts in Memphis, in allegory, and stopped abruptly, and think what anyone will, it was Francis Bacon who picked it up to form a New Atlantis, right here in America for the next race out of all the current races of the earth. It is happening right before our eyes, it is an unbroken and huger than huge picture, our evolution.

With all due respect, if I was to read your reply at face value, I could have given a short response, namely, that all you said in negation is having missed my point.

Charlotte


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