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October 05, 2001 10:23AM
<HTML>Anthony, there's a chapter in Margaret Morris's The Egyptian Pyramid Mystery Is Solved! The chapter is titled Building with Geopolymer which I already mentioned with regard to your "goop" questions. This chapter does cover your present questions and several others. When I read it I was impressed by how much work was involved in building the Great Pyramid even with geopolymeric concrete, which is vastly more easy and efficient that trying to quarry, cut raise and set blocks.

As Morris has not released her book yet I can't give you quotes but I will say that the engineer who contributed the chapter reckoned the problems with eight hour work days 180 days per year.

He calculated parallel files of men passing the baskets between them at a rate of a few seconds per basket. Six files of men could move baskets at that rate. Standing three feet apart 350 men are required for each file to reach the base of Khufu, for a total of 2100 men.

Today when Egyptians restore the Great Pyramid with concrete blocks they stand on the monument and pass baskets up the line this way.

To build the GP tiers were started in many places at once. When a block is made and packed down it is strong enough for a man to walk on immediately.

I am sorry not to give you more detail but I can't post her unpublished book on this board -- I'm sure you understand.

In case you don't know this -- and this is something MM stresses in her book -- the 2-1/2 ton weight is an average. It's used in calculations and mitigates the problem of moving real weights -- like the blocks high in the GP that take up the space of two tiers. The calculation disposes of the problem of moving those 30 foot long blocks Herodotus reported seeing as did el-Latif. There are charts that show the tier heights and show heavy blocks at all levels of the GP although the tiers do tend to get shorter as the structure rises.

Let me give you a couple of facts that might help you wrap your mind around the geopolymer theory. It is vast as you say so there are so many issues that could be picked over and everyone has their own approach. Only two fundamental facts helped me get the basis to build my understanding on.

1. Davidovits is not the first one to discover the Egyptians made stone. The discovery was made by Henry Le'Chatelier (1850-1935). In his day Egyptologists thought Egyptian faience was real sandstone with a painted surface (Morris posted a reference and discussion on this board). Le'Chatelier studied this "sandstone" and proved that it is synthetic. His microscopic studies showed air bubbles in it and sandstone does not contain air bubbles. He also showed the self-glazing process, the migration of minerals from the inner portion of the stone to the outside.

So you see Anthony it is a little known but established fact that the Egyptians made stone.

After Henry Le'Chatelier made his discovery the "sandstone" had to be renamed and was thereafter called Egyptian faience. But it is very important to recognize that Le'Chatelier established that the Egyptians made stone.

2. Dr. Davidovits re-created the mortar on the Great Pyramid and showed it is geopolymeric -- lime gypsum mortar. This is why it has lasted so long while ordinary gypsum mortar does not endure for long periods. So we have geopolymerization right there on the Great Pyramid in the form of mortar. Dr. Davidovits knew that a simple variation in the mortar formula would make limestone concrete without using any heat.

Once I learned that the Egyptians made stone and that geopolymeric mortar exists on the Great Pyramid and how easy the low temp limestone concrete is to make, everything else started to fall into place.

People assume that the GP could have been built the assumed way. After reading the enginering experiments and other studies in MMs book I no longer believe that it could be--at least not in 24 years with 4th D. tools.

Sandy</HTML>
Subject Author Posted

Geopolymer... 1 piece at a time

Anthony October 04, 2001 11:43AM

Question 1... timeframe

Anthony October 04, 2001 11:47AM

Re: Question 1... timeframe

Sandy J. Perkins October 05, 2001 10:23AM

Nice answers

Anthony October 05, 2001 10:44AM

Re: Nice answers

Claire October 05, 2001 10:50AM

Re: Nice answers

Sandy J. Perkins October 05, 2001 11:04AM

Easy, boy....down Sandy....

Anthony October 05, 2001 01:10PM

I hunted it down

Sandy J. Perkins October 05, 2001 11:24PM

Re: Nice answers

Frank Doernenburg October 05, 2001 01:18PM

Frank...

Anthony October 05, 2001 01:24PM

Re: Frank...

Frank Doernenburg October 05, 2001 05:09PM

Wrong Frank

Sandy J. Perkins October 05, 2001 11:06PM

Sandy...

Anthony October 06, 2001 05:32AM

Answer

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 05:47AM

Re: Answer

Anthony October 06, 2001 05:49AM

Re: Answer

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 06:00AM

Amazing

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 06:45AM

Re: Amazing

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 07:00AM

Frank...

Anthony October 06, 2001 07:02AM

Double Amazing

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 12:12PM

Talk to me, Sandy

Anthony October 06, 2001 12:17PM

Re: Double Amazing

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 06:32PM

Triple Amazing!

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 04:12AM

Re: Triple Amazing!

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 05:23AM

Reprimand for Frank

Anthony October 07, 2001 07:31AM

Re: Is this link of any help?

al-Urman October 07, 2001 07:47AM

quintuple amazing

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 07:57AM

Re: quintuple amazing

al-Urman October 07, 2001 08:05AM

Re: One more try ...

al-Urman October 07, 2001 08:08AM

Re: One more try ...

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 09:11AM

Opals vs Opal ct

Anthony October 07, 2001 09:24AM

Re: Opals vs Opal ct

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 09:51AM

FD Out to Lunch!

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 02:15PM

Re: FD Out to Lunch!

Anthony October 07, 2001 02:32PM

Opal Ct

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 02:53PM

Re: FD Out to Lunch!

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 02:59PM

Re: FD Out to Lunch!

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 02:32PM

Re: FD Out to Lunch!

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 03:02PM

Re: FD Out to Lunch!

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 03:33PM

Re: Inside or outside?

al-Urman October 07, 2001 03:39PM

Re: Inside or outside?

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 04:00PM

Re: One more try ...

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 09:23AM

Most Incredible Thing I've Ever Seen

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 02:20PM

Re: Most Incredible Thing I've Ever Seen

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 03:41PM

Re: One more try ...

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 02:08PM

What???

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 02:02PM

Not very amazing

Anthony October 07, 2001 08:07AM

Re: Not very amazing

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 08:47AM

Re: Not very amazing

Anthony October 07, 2001 09:05AM

Re: Not very amazing

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 10:15AM

HEY! Sandy... question

Anthony October 07, 2001 10:41AM

Anthony - Answer

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 02:46PM

Re: Anthony - Answer

Anthony October 07, 2001 05:27PM

Re: Anthony - Answer

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 05:37PM

FD's Latest Ball of Confusion

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 02:30PM

Bad Sandy... BAD!

Anthony October 07, 2001 02:38PM

Unfair!

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 03:15PM

Re: Unfair!

Anthony October 07, 2001 05:34PM

Re: Unfair!

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 06:25PM

Perspectives

Anthony October 07, 2001 07:06PM

Dr. Perkins - Congrats!

Cliff Synder October 08, 2001 07:02AM

Mr. Snyder

Anthony October 08, 2001 07:23AM

Re: Dr. Perkins - Congrats!

Blue October 08, 2001 01:11PM

Re: Dr. Perkins - Congrats!

Anthony October 08, 2001 02:10PM

Re: Dr. Perkins - Congrats!

Blue October 08, 2001 02:15PM

Re: Dr. Perkins - Congrats!

Anthony October 08, 2001 02:33PM

Re: Reprimand for Frank

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 01:59PM

See my post below with your name on it FD

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 01:52PM

Re: Answer

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 06:36AM

Ref. on Artificial Sandstone

Anthony October 05, 2001 01:30PM

Independent Confirmation

Anthony October 05, 2001 03:45PM

Question for Frank...

Anthony October 05, 2001 03:48PM

Re: Question for Frank...

al-Urman October 05, 2001 03:49PM

Re: Question for Frank...

Frank Doernenburg October 05, 2001 05:15PM

Excellent points by Frank...Q for Sandy

Anthony October 05, 2001 05:22PM

Here's the reference (I thought I had seen it)

Anthony October 05, 2001 05:26PM

Re: Here's the reference (I thought I had seen it)

Greg Reeder October 05, 2001 08:32PM

Fayence - a summary

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 04:04AM

Excellent job, Frank... final judgment

Anthony October 06, 2001 05:36AM

Re: Excellent job, Frank... final judgment

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 05:50AM

Faience, without clay

Anthony October 06, 2001 05:58AM

Re: Faience, without clay

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 06:43AM

SANDY &amp; FRANK...HELLO!

Anthony October 06, 2001 07:00AM

Re: SANDY &amp; FRANK...HELLO!

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 07:13AM

Re: SANDY &amp; FRANK...HELLO!

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 07:23AM

Frank ...?

Anthony October 06, 2001 07:34AM

Re: Frank ...?

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 07:44AM

Sandy...OVER HERE!

Anthony October 06, 2001 08:04AM

Anthony Look Here

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 11:18AM

Sandy... I'm looking

Anthony October 06, 2001 12:13PM

Be Selective

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 04:22AM

Re: Amorphous silica

al-Urman October 07, 2001 04:45AM

Amorphous silica in Geopolymer

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 05:39AM

Amorphous Silica...LONG post

Anthony October 07, 2001 07:54AM

Re: Amorphous Silica...LONG post

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 03:19PM

Re: Excellent job, Frank... final judgment

al-Urman October 06, 2001 09:19AM

Hot stuff

Anthony October 06, 2001 10:30AM

Foundation of knowledge

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 07:15AM

Get the Real Point

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 07:04AM

SANDY!!!!!!!!! A new rule

Anthony October 06, 2001 07:17AM

Take this to heart

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 11:34AM

Re: Take this to heart

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 01:13PM

Heartless comments...lol

Anthony October 06, 2001 01:45PM

Re: Heartless comments...lol

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 01:55PM

Sorry to annoy you...

Anthony October 06, 2001 02:08PM

Settng the Record Straight

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 05:09AM

Settng the Record Straight

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 05:21AM

Settng the Record Straight

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 05:22AM

Need I Say More?

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 04:38AM

Re: Need I Say More?

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 05:46AM

BRAVO FRANK!

Anthony October 07, 2001 08:16AM

To All Re: Frank's Olive Branch

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 01:10PM

Helluva post, Sandy J

Anthony October 07, 2001 01:25PM

Re: Paradigm shift

al-Urman October 07, 2001 01:49PM

Re: To All Re: Frank's Olive Branch

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 02:11PM

Refuting the theory

Anthony October 07, 2001 02:44PM

Re: Refuting the theory

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 03:20PM

To All

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 06:06PM

Nice points

Anthony October 07, 2001 07:13PM

Re: To All

Frank Doernenburg October 08, 2001 03:57AM

Re: Independent Confirmation

Greg Reeder October 05, 2001 05:14PM

Re: Independent Confirmation

Frank Doernenburg October 05, 2001 05:18PM

Yes Anthony

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 06:07AM

Explanation

Sandy J. Perkins October 05, 2001 11:40PM

Absolutely Correct

Anthony October 06, 2001 05:47AM

Re: Absolutely Correct

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 07:36AM

Pay Attention

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 05:48AM

Re: Pay Attention

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 06:00AM

Re: Ref. on Artificial Sandstone

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 07:16AM

Re: Ref. on Artificial Sandstone

Anthony October 06, 2001 07:19AM

Re: Ref. on Artificial Sandstone

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 07:25AM

Re: Question 1... timeframe

R. Avry Wilson October 04, 2001 04:11PM

Re: Question 1... timeframe

Anthony October 04, 2001 04:24PM

Re: Question 1... timeframe

Sandy J. Perkins October 05, 2001 11:17AM

Re: Question 1... timeframe

Anthony October 05, 2001 01:13PM

Re: Question 1... timeframe

Chris Dunn October 05, 2001 08:38PM

Re: Question 1... timeframe

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 12:04AM

Re: Question 1... timeframe

Chris Dunn October 07, 2001 07:16PM

Valid point

Anthony October 07, 2001 07:35PM

Re: May I?

al-Urman October 07, 2001 11:03PM

Re: May I?

Anthony October 08, 2001 05:49AM

Your horse

Chris Dunn October 05, 2001 08:59PM

Re: Your horse

Anthony October 05, 2001 09:30PM

Re: Your horse

Chris Dunn October 05, 2001 10:00PM

Re: Your horse

al-Urman October 06, 2001 01:14AM

Paul &amp; Chris

Anthony October 06, 2001 05:44AM

Hi Tech Advocates

Anthony October 06, 2001 05:51AM

Big Problem

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 07:25AM

Update

Anthony October 05, 2001 10:18AM

Sandy...Q1 : timeframe

R. Avry Wilson October 06, 2001 04:34PM

Avry

Anthony October 06, 2001 04:42PM

Re: Avry

R. Avry Wilson October 06, 2001 05:05PM



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