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"The pulling away started at the corners (festoon shaped border when it was easier) and the
stability of the remanent blocks was ensured by means of supports made by bricks (some of
them appear to be made also in recent time)"
The above quote suggests also that some of these piers are more recent. Medieval quarry men would hardly render them to blend in. Though it's also pos
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Hermione Wrote:
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> I'm hoping that Keith H. might be along to comment
> at some point.
I read this article on holiday and don't know were to start; but simply put, l couldn't agree to any of it; enough said:-)
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Just image distortion, and not the first time that l have seen such distortion in Google images. Its definitely not like that in real life.
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Just posted up part 2 on south tomb and enclosure wall.
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I wouldn't get too caught up on the measurements of this complex, l have little confidence in the data supplied by the early excavators. Trying to model in 3d from these drawings showed no end of problems.
One needs modern scan data, which has been done, but this is not available to the public.
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Thanks Hermoine, l have read the article but there's nothing that l can pin down to the south tomb in it.
The more l look into it, it appears that Firth only emptied the pit down to the top of the manoeuvring chamber and preserved it. This he published in 1928, and he died in 1931. So it may have remained intact on his death.
In Lauer''s 1936 publication, vol1, page 101 he says
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Does anyone know who destroyed the substructure of the south tomb? In ASAE 28, Firth notes how he emptied the pit to expose the the top of the manoeuvring chamber, and did repairs to underpin damage caused by robbers. Indeed he comments how he preserved the substructure and avoided the necessity to destroy it. Firth died in 1931, and Quibell who wrote a monograph in 1935 suggests that the substru
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The dimensions for the pyramid are hard to pin down due to its condition as Lauer himself states.
Assumptions and theoritical plans are used to try and recover what was intended. The limited Data Lauer supplies are in his Vol 1, La Pyramid a degres, 1936, pages 10 to 26, which covers all the phases. The Base is uneven, but a datum mark was selected as the general level for the pyramid Base, an
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Hans_lune Wrote:
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> Thanks Waggy! Another minor mystery in Egypt - oh
> any idea on why this one piece is darker?
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No idea, l have noticed it before, but short of some geologist being allowed up there to examine it, we will never know. Maybe victorians used it for cooking on when they had their picnics at the top:-)
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I had noticed it on my last visit, and indeed noticed that there is quite a variety of granite colours in the Temple. The darkest granite block is the one that you mentioned, though there are a few in the same hall, which whilst not as dark, do stand out against the Red granite. I'm not aware of any artificial process to darken the granite and assume that maybe random boulders were removed f
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Hans_lune Wrote:
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> Was there a later pyramid which collapsed and the
> burial chamber was never excavated?
Not sure on the term collapsed; certainly a lot of pyramids have been stripped of their masonry and or brick, which gives that impression. This extended to the substructure where stone robbers continued their trade. A lot
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Hermione Wrote:
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> Monica Hanna (BBC, Radio 4, World at One, 02 02
> 2024) doesn't think it's a good idea.
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> Her reasons are that there's no conservation need;
> no condition assessment report has been made (as
> required by the Venice Charter
> ); the
> existing blocks would have to be re-wo
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Hermione Wrote:
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> I don't know if you perhaps had in mind Palmyra?
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> Apparently, there were problems even with that ...
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No definitely not that site, it was a quite small temple, in which all that was left was scattered and broken blocks.
The 3D scanning made light work of the
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Hermione Wrote:
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> > Besides looking nice what would be the point?
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> Well ... repairs required to ensure that the
> structure continues to stand might be one thing.
> But there's a school of thought that would
> ques
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Byrd Wrote:
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> > I certainly agree with that sentiment. In many
> > ways the Bent pyramid still awaits exploration,
> > and although G1 is a bit of a black hole, the
> > available data on it is also not great. As
> Romer
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Hermione Wrote:
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> > In many
> > ways the Bent pyramid still awaits exploration,
> > and although G1 is a bit of a black hole, the
> > available data on it is also not great. As
> Romer
> > quoted in his G1
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Byrd Wrote:
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> It's good to see this work being done. So much
> attention goes to G1 at the expense of everything
> else.
I certainly agree with that sentiment. In many ways the Bent pyramid still awaits exploration, and although G1 is a bit of a black hole, the available data on it is also not great. As Romer quoted i
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Byrd Wrote:
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> I look forward to Wagy's update on it!
I did a 3D of the magazines in my last guide, which also included Pepi I, Pepi II & Merenre, see page 64
They are very sizeable magazines compared to the tripartite system we normally see.
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Yup, these blocks line the corridor which give access to the pyramid court.
If memory serves me right, this corridor was found lined with mudbrick, and on removal of the brick these granite blocks were found.
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They are from Menkaure's pyramid temple.
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Hermione Wrote:
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I've just
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Hi Byrd,
Years ago l did an experiment on friends and relatives, measuring their arms. The result was widely different measures, even amongst people of the same height.
Might a new king insist that the measure be taken from his arm, which could be a few inches more than his predecessor; and yet the value of the cubit is remarkably consistent.
This made me think if another standard for the cu
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I don't think anything has been filled in.
The older image is taken from the end of the basement sheet, on which the descending passage was built on, so we are looking directly at the entrance.
This area had been stripped of its masonry in antiquity, and if you were allowed to climb up there today, you would see much the same view.
The modern image is taken from the pyramid base looking u
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I would think it justified to remove some of this tympanum masonry and enter this space.
Years ago near where l live, they took down an old stone church and rebuilt it stone by stone into a folk museum park.
I'm sure satisfactory solutions can be arrived at to enter this space; we really need feet on the ground to thoroughly examine the space.
In the history of the structure, we have gone
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Fantastic news.
Its definitely a utilitarian looking space, remains me of the pent construction corridor inside Neferirkare pyramid. Here they seem to have have made a utilitarian construction corridor with pent beams to enable the workers to continue with the superstructure whilst internal construction continued. Then as they worked on the substructure from the inside out, they built the horizo
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Hi all,
Latest guide is up for those interested in Neferirkare's pyramid.
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Many thanks for the link, Hermione.
Apparently three more causeway blocks were discovered in 2019.
"One extraordinary block found alongside the Sahura causeway boasts the longest surviving Old Kingdom narrative text - with 21 columns of hieroglyphs - from the time before the Pyramid Texts (Khaled, forthcoming).
Source, Kings of the Sun, M.Barta 2020, page 289.
Has anything been publish
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Hi all,
I have just posted up a guide on Sahure's pyramid complex.
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> I can't find any mention.
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> If these markings are, or
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