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Whilst it was generally believed that Columbus was the first European to discover America in 1492, it is now well known that Viking explorers reached parts of the east coast of Canada around 1100 and that Icelandic Leif Erikson’s Vinland may have been an area that is now part of the United States.
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What is less well known is that a Welshman may have followed in Erikson’s footsteps, this
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Hermione
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Humanities
New technical analysis dates Yale’s Vinland Map to the 1920s or later, not the 1440s as previously suggested
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Hermione
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Ancient History
Archive posts mentioning the Vinland Map -
And 2018 interview with researcher John Paul Floyd -
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Hermione
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Ancient History
More than three years after Yale University announced that it would put the infamous Vinland Map through a through a series of high-tech tests to determine once and for all whether the allegedly medieval depiction of Greenland and the Canadian coast was in fact a fake, the results are in. It is, in fact ....
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Hermione
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Ancient History
New Research Reconfirms the Vinland Map is a Forgery
Jason Colavito, 9/3/2021
Analysis unlocks secret of the Vinland Map — it’s a fake
By Mike Cummings, Yale News, September 1, 2021
Yours,
Paul H,
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Paul H.
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Humanities
Gregory McIntosh has posted some interesting “Unpublished
Research Notes” to his Academic-edu website.
Of specific interest are:
Unpublished Research Notes no. 2. The Vinland Map by Gregory McIntosh
Unpublished Research Notes no. 1. The Fancy of John Cabot by Gregory McIntosh
McIntosh, G.C., 2015. The Piri Reis Map of 1528: A Comparative Study
With Other Maps of the Time.
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Paul H.
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Humanities
I read through all 77 pages of the Library of Congress link dated May 9, 1910 and find no evidence that the KRS is fake. In fact the comments on page 35 would indicate that it is not a ‘modern forgery’.
“The exactness with which the location of the camp is described can be attributed to the probable burial of the ten men at the camp, and the natural desire to describe geographically the place
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Allan Shumaker
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Ancient History
Allan Shumaker Wrote:
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> It is a shame that Jason Colavito provides no
> evidence for "a Victorian hoax purporting to be a
> medieval record of a Norse expedition from Vinland
Well, good news, Allan: plenty of links re the KRS here -
There's also a paper about it on Ma'at (scroll down) -
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Hermione
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Ancient History
It is a shame that Jason Colavito provides no evidence for "a Victorian hoax purporting to be a medieval record of a Norse expedition from Vinland to Minnesota".
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Allan Shumaker
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Ancient History
Apparently,this will be:Quote ... a center for displaying the “true” story of the Kensington Rune Stone, a Victorian hoax purporting to be a medieval record of a Norse expedition from Vinland to Minnesota, as interpreted by believers in its supposed medieval authenticity.
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Hermione
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Ancient History
If there are any additional sites in vinland Sarah will surely find them.
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donald r raab
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Ancient History
From Wikipedia: 'During the period when Ohman discovered the stone, the journey of Leif Ericson to Vinland (North America) was being widely discussed and there was renewed interest in the Vikings throughout Scandinavia, stirred by the National Romanticism movement. Five years earlier Norway had participated in the World's Columbian Exposition by sending the Viking, a replica of the Goks
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Roxana Cooper
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Ancient History
Considering that Olof Ohman discovered the stone when he was clearing trees for farming, it would be safe to assume that any farm-able land in the area has been cleared and plowed.
The text translates to:
"Eight Geats (Swedes) and twenty-two Norwegians on an exploration journey from Vinland to the west. We had camp by two skerries one day's journey north from this stone. We were
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Allan Shumaker
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Ancient History
Minnesota’s Runestone purports to be a program about the way various people use the Kensington Rune Stone, a hoax inscription purporting to tell of a Norse expedition from Vinland to Minnesota in 1362, to construct and re-construct the past, ..
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Hermione
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Ancient History
The two you mention are forms of notariety and are not experienced AFTER the faker is long gone. Dates are important. A classic is the Vinland map. Serious attempts have been made to attribute the same to a 30's professor. Whoops; he is dead before the map is found.
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donald r raab
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Ancient History
Dozens of tests were done on the book by various experts since its discovery, and every one of them suggests that the work is legitimate. The auction house Sotheby’s, which was charged with authenticating and evaluating the object, concludes that it is a genuine 15th century book, worth between 150 an 250 million Euros.
Also see
The carbon dating of the new ship estimates that it dates
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Allan Shumaker
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Coffee Shop
donald r raab Wrote:
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> You're making progress. The alternative side
> isn't so bad. Now Allen's speculation about a
> different route to Kensington and beyond opens up
> all kinds of possibilities. And the NW passage
> mythology certainly would be more than that during
> the Norse climate warming.
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Cognito
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Ancient History
Pat,
If you manage to get that paper I sure would like to read it.
Earlier we were discussing the possibility that the Norse discovered the Northwest Passage during the Medieval Warm Period and the mariner's memory became an absolute obcession during the Age of Exploration. We are not alone in that speculation. This link by John N. Harris is an online book "The Last Viking"
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Allan Shumaker
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Ancient History
Jammer Wrote:
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> True, speculation is more fun then skepticism...
> but
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> If the Viking population was exposed to small pox
> no later than 950AD, and they visited extensively
> the northern mid west in the late 14th century...
> WHY were these native American populations
> unexposed to, and completely vuln
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Allan Shumaker
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Ancient History
A number of things.
1. Is the translation of the stone agreed upon whether fake or real? That is separate from the new calligraphy research. Is it agreed that the stone says they came from the north?
2. Your geography requires a prior knowledge of the area. Miss a river and you are in portage to the black hole.
3. The supposed description of the rear area base makes sense. it al
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donald r raab
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Ancient History
If vinland and Norse influence in America was so darn long lasting and extensive one would expect rather more to have surfaced then One boat station and a stone now wouldn't one? As near as I can tell the Norse were not in the habit of carving historical markers like the Kensington stone. Much less when under stress.
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Roxana Cooper
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Ancient History
donald r raab Wrote:
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> snip
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> 2. I agree totally with the problem of where it
> was found. It is way out of place. Unless
> Vinland and the Norse efforts in North America
> were far more extensive and long lasting than
> imagined. There is a similar pattern though. The
> Norse pushed down from Scandin
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Allan Shumaker
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Ancient History
ADDING TO Alans' comments.
1. What would scandinavians gain? A few more references in Wiki? A full blown re-visit to the entire story of America? A re-writing of textbooks? As you have pointed out there is a lot of history that has already happened. The real Americas story since is not going to change.
2. I agree totally with the problem of where it was found. It is way out of p
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donald r raab
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Ancient History
Wiki on the Kensington Runestone.
Wiki on the Vinland map.
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Hermione
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Ancient History
Well there is a big problem. According to Allan the new source establishing the fact of the positive provenance of the Kensington stone is NOT 250 miles. More like 2k miles.. I agree you have to have a plan and 250k for Vinland is a good start. The problem is all of these anomalous outliers that say here instead of there.
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donald r raab
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Ancient History
I thought that Kenuchelover was all about natives and no contact. Contact from Lanse meadows to Cahokia would be a long connection. Way beyond vinland.
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donald r raab
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Ancient History
Roxana
Today I flew from 20 degrees in DC to New Orleans at 72. Think warmth. Vinland.
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donald r raab
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Ancient History
Persistant ones. The problem is said White Indians always seem to have lived just beyond the reach of European contact. We never managed to find any. We never found any cities of gold either. Probably the 'White Indians' were every bit as mythical.
If I recall correctly the sagas no only record the establishment of colonists in 'Vinland' but their retreat when the Skra
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Roxana Cooper
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Ancient History
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