Allan Shumaker Wrote:
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> But it is not a Viking map either.
>
> American scholars have carbon dated the map to
> about 1440, about 50 years before Columbus
> "discovered" the New World in 1492. Scholars
> believe it was produced for a 1440 church council
> at Basel, Switzerland.
>
> The Vinlan
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Khazar-khum
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But it is not a Viking map either.
American scholars have carbon dated the map to about 1440, about 50 years before Columbus "discovered" the New World in 1492. Scholars believe it was produced for a 1440 church council at Basel, Switzerland.
The Vinland Map is not a "Viking map" and does not alter the historical understanding of who first sailed to North America. But i
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Allan Shumaker
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donald r raab Wrote:
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> snip
> The cow has been available
> since time immemorial in the Americas. it won't
> set speed records but it can haul. Why build
> superhighways (sache) for walking folks?
>
> snip
According to the Sagas, the Norse brought cattle to Vinland but apparently none survived. The ne
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Allan Shumaker
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This is something I remembered from my youth. Your answer is here:
Carl Christian Rafn (1795 - 1864) was a Danish archaeologist noted for his early advocacy of the theory that the Vikings had explored North America prior to Christopher Columbus.
Rafn was in particular interested in discovering the location of Vinland mentioned in Norse sagas. Rafn believed Vinland to have been in modern-da
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Cognito
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OK, I'll bite. Who is Tryggvi Oleson? I see he has written a book but I could only get the first page of his chapter "The Mythical Voyages to America".
I am inclined to believe the Norse Sagas are much more than fairy tales. The discovery of L'Anse aux Meadows in Newfoundland confirms the attempt to colonize Vinland and the manuscript of Ibn Fadlan lends some authenticity
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Allan Shumaker
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You'll find a thread about it a little way down on this board ...
) Paul
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Paul B. Vinland
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Paul B. Vinland Wrote:
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> They can tell 'cause there are some bone
> in his neck that are only found "grown" that way
> in Peruvian people of that era ...
The interparietal bone, or 'Inca bone', isn't only found in the Inca. This rare structuring of the skull that can been found worldwide, though
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them
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The three national newspapers report it ... They usually don't broadcast things not for real ... The archaelogist's name is Mona Beate Buckholm, working as an archaelogist at a museum in the region where the find was.
The skeleton was found close to a church, during a repair of the St. Nicolas church.
If you read Norwegian, here's a link:
) Paul
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Paul B. Vinland
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Hullo there ...
Long time, no see.
Just popped in to spread some interesting Viking news.
Norwegian papers broadcast this evening in a small article that archaelogists have found a 1,000 year old skeletal remains of an inca indian in Southern Norway. They can tell 'cause there are some bone in his neck that are only found "grown" that way in Peruvian people of that era ...
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Paul B. Vinland
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It appears the penny is accepted as a real Viking Pence for sure.
What is disputed is any claim this proves the vikings were in Maine.
Facts...
1) The pence is perforated as if worn as a necklace...
2) The perforation is broken as if it may have been an ornament a lont time before wearing through and accidently falling off.
This only proves that someone (or the descendant of someon
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Jammer
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The Danish study "Assessment and Survey of the Vinland Map and the
Tartar Relation and Speculum Historiale" by René Larsen and Dorte V. Poulsen, Marie Vest, has just been published(Engl) in Zeitschrift für Kunsttechnologie und Konservierung 2006-Heft 2 ,Wernersche Verlagsge-
sellschaft, Germany.
The main conclusions of the study will be presented by Jørgen D. Siemonsen
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Doug Weller
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Well the Norse imported cattle to Vinland but that is way too late!
Maybe they traded corn for cows from India. Or maybe the Africans brought them over, but how did they drive them over the Andes?
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Allan Shumaker
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Here's what a quick search revealed:
The Vikings knew about as it was found in Scandinavia & Greenland. They knew a secret
about iolite which may have changed the course of history. They used it as a
navigation tool. By looking through the crystal they could see the direction of
the sun on overcast days. This was a function of its pleochroism which means
that it changes colour whe
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DDeden
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Ancient History
I think its pretty well documented the Norse spent only a few years in Vinland in North America.
They left because, to a trading race, the only thing they located that wasn't in Newfoundland was butternuts.
"To date, only one other artifact has been found indicating contact between Norse and Native people in the Vinland region: a Norwegian silver penny dating to the reign of Ol
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Jammer
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See my short post below that Kat didn't like.
The orthodox approach if it doesn't fit is to dismiss it. It couldn't be. So much for looking at evidence. It is entirely predictible that Hobbit will go the way of the Vinland map etc. it is. It isn't. Over and over. The orthodox devise so many i's and t's to cross it becomes an impossibility. The last in the
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donald r raab
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Sorry Katherine I was referring to a book review I sent in of Maps, Myths, and Men: The Story of the Vinland Map,by Kristen Seaver.
Thank you for your prompt reply.
Yours,
Pierre
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Pacal
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This analysis by Nic Flemming on the "1418" Chinese map was sent to me with permission to post it here:
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1.A map has recently been publicised which is in the hands of
Chinese collectors. It is allegedly dated 1763, and is supposed
to be an accurate copy of an original from 1418/1421. The map
shows the outlines of all the
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Katherine Reece
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donald r raab Wrote:
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> Pacal,
>
> Are you saying that Bernard says there has been
> contact and information exchange? Has to be one
> or another. If he has joined the view that the
> world was not a place of pristine isolation and
> independent development exclusively that would put
> a smile on my face.
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donald r raab Wrote:>
> I have said it many many times. The Vinland map
> could be a fake. The Peri reis map could be a
> fake. A host of others could be fakes. And yes
> this map could be a fake. To me the likelyhood
> statistically that ALL of these anamolous maps are
> fakes approaches 0. That just DOES NOT happen in
> human affairs.
I know of no one
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Doug Weller
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Pacal,
Are you saying that Bernard says there has been contact and information exchange? Has to be one or another. If he has joined the view that the world was not a place of pristine isolation and independent development exclusively that would put a smile on my face.
You say predictible. I see FAKE for everyone of your responses. Now THAT is predicitible and the whole point of the cont
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donald r raab
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Once again the besides the points, ad hominims etc. How predictable.
you say:
QuoteOf course Bernard will say whooee to all of it because there NEVER but NEVER was any kind of contact let alone sustained contact. Now to this map:
Why do you you keep repeating this falsehood no matter how often it is pointed out to you?
And of course you ignore again and again the sheer slopyness of Me
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Pacal
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Ancient History
Shades of the Vinland map and Peri Reis. We just have had ALL kinds of fakers and hoaxists drawing these gems to mislead the orthodox.
I suspect the authenticity of this map like the Vinland map will NEVER be settled. It is real, no it is a fake, but hold on this says it s real , so look at this it got to be a fake.
We have numerous maps ; some original and some copies; that just don'
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donald r raab
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That's actually not helpful, Anthony. Thompson claims to be presenting evidence.
Now I know that Thompson plays loose with his references, for instance, because I've checked some. I know that Nicholas of Lynn never mapped the North Atlantic because I've checked that with the current expert on Nicholas and also know that he isn't the friar referred to in the appropriate docum
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Doug Weller
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Paul Vinland needs to visit to confirm or disparage the references and books cited.
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donald raab
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Ancient History
I just got a copy of 'Civilization One' by Christopher Knight and Alan Butler. Its undertitle is 'The World is Not as You Thought It Was'.
I'll see if I can get back with a short review when I've finished it.
The back cover states: "Astounding revelations about a hitherto unknown civilization which pre-dates the ancient Egyptians, with far-reaching implica
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Paul B. Vinland
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Or should that be still? Nova had show on it last night that pretty much
concluded it was a modern hoax.
Points against included: Lack of provenance, always a red flag. the fact that
the Vikings were not known to make maps. The curiously sketchy depiction of
Scandinavia as opposed to Greenland and 'Vinland', and the fact Greenland is
shown as an island of the correct shape wh
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Roxana Cooper
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Hi again! If you are receptive to critical thinking and willing to have an objective, balanced discussion, there's absolutely no need to evade responding. This post is perhaps my feeble attempt to define what science is and, as such, do justice to the theory of evolution. This is LONG so you'll have to bear with me on this.
Have you ever wondered why religion, politics and ethics are
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darkuser
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Are you able to send an email from your phone? If so, you might attach the photo to the email and send it to your regular email ... I have that option, but that's 'cause my phone operator deliver such a service ...
:-) Paul
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Paul B. Vinland
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Indeed, that is just the IT-geniuses' way of explaining away a problem ... The most unwelcome solution of a problem, ever, if ya ask me ... What I do most at my work is to act as a "go-between" in negotiation of such problems with the end-users and the IT-people, and I'm a bit stubborn when it comes to it ;o)
:-) Paul
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Paul B. Vinland
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Thanks for the tip ... I've just ordered it from the Amazon Book Store in the UK ...
:-) Paul
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Paul B. Vinland
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