lobo-hotei Wrote:
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> Sirfiroth Wrote:
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> > Anthony, your post on winches does nothing
> to
> > address the problem of lateral movement once
> a
> > stone is raised in the air!
>
> Winches only move things laterally while on the
> ground?
of course not!
>
> > Lateral movement is
> > sideways movement of a stone that while it
> is
> > raised in the air, which from the pictures
> and the
> > rig shown would allow no more than 2-3 feet
> > lateral movement before the rig became
> unstable
> > and toppled over.
>
> Who's expert opinion is this?
I will supply you with a copy of the report for the $1,300.00 I paid for it 12 years ago!
>You raise the block
> to the top of a tripod made of three 60ft poles
> and tip it over under control. How far do you
> think the block would travel?
I believe you might have a problem with the 6-10 inch poles in that position supporting even 5-10 ton stone let alone a 30 ton stone they would snap like toothpicks.
>
> >There fore the tripod rig would
> > have to be moved for every 3 foot of lateral
> > movement.
>
> Not true. You can place the block next to wall,
> the two legs of the tripod that are braced
> together parallel to the wall, winch up the block
> to highest lift, have the third leg attached to a
> pulley anchored in ground, have another winch
> attached to either the block or the top of the
> tripod and pull the block/tripod towards the
> wall(leaning it over the wall) thereby laterally
> moving the block much more then your 2-3 feet.
Ed did not have that kind of equipment, Ed had only simple pulleys and winches and chains.
> The two legs would create stability, the height of
> the poles would allow farther lateral movement,
> the anchor on the third pole would keep the tripod
> from flying over and he had years to work so a few
> days of back and forth winching on either side of
> the wall wouldn't be squat.
>
> Also if you look at the first pic Don posted, ,
> you will see two tripods. Can you figure out how
> to lift a block up on the wall with a tripod on
> either side of the wall where it is intended?
You are evidently not aware of the loads Ed's tackle was able to accommodate?
>
> >There would also have to be attachment
> > points where pegs were set to connect pulleys
> for
> > cabling or chain to allow for lateral
> winching
> > while the stone is raised, and there are no
> such
> > points visible anywhere in the compound.
>
> You don't need pegs. You need the anchor point for
> the pulley to be stationary. A pulley attached to
> a section of pipe behind a stack of blocks will
> allow lateral winching of one block. An anchor
> point drove into the ground would work as well.
> For a 2-3 ton block a good size truck could work
> for the anchor.
You should run your ideas by a civil engineer, as I have done! Please be sure to have all of your facts in line, wouldn't want any miscalculations now would we! The tools that Ed had were only simple pulleys and winches and chains. The equipment he had was not strong enough to lift the great stones, some of the coral stones that he built with weighed 30 tons. To-date no scientists have been able to offer a plausible explanation on how he did it. Now if you know of a scientist or civil engineer that can demonstrate how it was done please have them speak up and put an end to all of the speculation!
>
> Regards,
> Lobo-hotei
> lobo
>
>
>
> Treat the earth well, It was not given to you by
> your parents, It was loaned to you by your
> children.
> Native American Proverb
At least you tried to offer solutions.
Thanks anyhow.