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July 23, 2010 10:53AM
Don Barone Wrote:
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> Interesting so when you said you had discovered
> the secrets of moving large objects and had it
> patented were you simply copying another's work in
> a dubious publication ?

Your ignorance of the chronology of events does not make your version more accurate.


> Odd that not one debunker
> has ever used this "book" to challenge the mythos.


Your ignorance of the debunking history of the Coral Castle "mystery" does not force it out of existence.

More proof of your willful ignorance can be found with a simple internet search:

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Around 1936, Ed bought ten acres near Homestead, Florida and started the process of relocating his sculptures. Stories differ as to what prompted the move. According to the “official” story in the Coral Castle (the present owner’s name for Ed’s creation) brochure, work started on a housing development near Ed’s property in Florida City. Seeking privacy, he moved to the area near Homestead. However, Orval Irwin, one of Ed’s friends, claims in his book Mr. Can’t Is Dead! The Story of the Coral Castle that Ed wanted people to see his work, but found his property in Florida City too isolated, so he found property closer to civilization. Since the Coral Castle sits right next to US1, the main thoroughfare from Miami to Key West during Ed’s day, Mr. Irwin’s story seems more accurate.

Ed continued work on the Coral Castle until 1940. Using only simple methods such as levers and block and tackle, working alone, Ed built everything at the Coral Castle. Ed was a gifted stone mason with the ability to seemingly pinpoint the center of gravity and balance in the large stones he worked. Ed reportedly possessed only a fourth grade formal education, however apparently his grandfather in Latvia educated Ed at home. In addition, it’s clear from some of Ed’s books on display at the Coral Castle, he read extensively and taught himself subjects such as astronomy and electricity.

From here: [spschultz.wordpress.com]




> In fact no one I have ever read about on the
> internet knows the existence of this book.
> Published in the 1990's ? ... that's 60 years
> after the fact.

Herodotus got things right 2000 years after the fact.

There were many things that were published in the interim in local papers and magazines. Your ignorance of them does not cause them to cease to exist. Many of them are posted on the walls of the gift shop at the Coral Castle, but you don't do any real research on a subject, so you wouldn't know that. You couldn't know that. 90% of the people who "push" the Coral Castle mystery, in fact, probably haven't been there, so they don't know what does and doesn't exist as far as real evidence is concerned. You are feeding off their ignorance, and adding your own to it.

The fact is there is money to be made in perpetuating the mystery. There is no money to be made in a simple book on how to move big stones on rollers.



>
> I wonder why he waited 60 years to tell his story

He didn't.

Again, your false assertion doesn't constitute reality.



> ? and of course you believe every word he writes
> ... because you want to believe that is how it was
> done.


Au contraire. I accept what he writes, by and large, because it is supported by physical evidence (including photographs of Ed at work, using the exact equipment Mr. Irwin describes) I was able to examine in person. It's called "research", and it requires more than a calculator and a ruler.



>
> Regardless in this diagram how was the steel
> chain wrapped around to the end that still abuts
> the far side ?


With hard work and ingenuity. The tourguide at the Castle explained it all in great detail. Your inability to imagine how he did it does not mean he didn't do it. It means you lack imagination.



>
> And in this one: how was the stone moved to where
> it was lifted directly up from. How was it moved
> from the "quarry" to where it was allegedly
> hoisted from.



Read what is written. It's all there. You are willfully ignoring it apparently because it contradicts your deep desire for mystical experiences.


>
> However I will publicly apologize to you for
> calling you a liar on this. I WAS WRONG !!!!!!!!
> The book you claimed exists does indeed exist. I
> simply thought it was another picture of the
> pyramid story.

My credibility on both issues is identical. Whether you agree or not is inconsequential.




>
> However I do not believe this gentleman at all.


You are free to make your own mistakes based on your ignorance. You are obviously not making this judgment based on knowledge, but a lack thereof. This is quite obvious to the rational observer.



>
> In this book written in the 50's he is strangely
> omitted. Note it says the file is damaged but
> just refresh and it should work. Here is a free
> internet version:


Your "book" did not load after four attempts. Whatever the mystery mongering book asserts, it is fairly irrelevant. The facts speak far more loudly, more clearly, and more rationally. You would do well to listen to them and ignore the whispers of cosmic magnetic forces and spirit power that swirl around the internet.


>
> ... No one in the town contradicts Mr. Irwin's
> account ...
>
> How can they when no one else saw it.

Another false assertion. Where is it shown that no one else saw it?


> How many
> agree with and actually like Orval M. Irwin claims
> to actually saw the work being performed. Not
> quite an error of omission but hardly
> corroborating testimony either.
> Has "Bob" the
> truck driver and owner of the flatbed ever made a
> statement ? You are free to believe one man's
> version of events simply because it fits your
> preconceived notion of how it was done. I assume
> you have tested this all out and have cut, moved
> and hoisted many blocks of Coral during your
> research.
>
> And at least now I know what the signatures are on
> the blocks at Giza to look out for.
>

Again, your desire to find a mystery prohibits you from seeing the truth.

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p. 67

When the Coral Castle was reopened for business in the mid-1950s, many visitors refused to believe that the building of the Coral Castle, with all its magnificent accomplishments, was the work of just one man working alone.

The Castle owner hired a local woman, Bodil Kosel Lowe, as a publicity agent. She grew up on Redland Road in Homestead and knew almost everyone in the area.

Mrs. Lowe traveled about South Dade and obtained 300 affidavits from the local residents stating they knew Ed Leedskalnin personally and confirmed that all the work done on the Castle was done by him, working alone.

In 1988, I placed copies of these affidavits in the Pioneer Museum at Florida City, Florida. (emphasis added - APS)

Why would 300 people formally and legally attest to something they did not witness or could not affirm?

Your insults are becoming quite offensive at this point. The mystery is not in "how". It is in "why". For that, you have to study the people, not the stones.



Anthony

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him think.
Subject Author Posted

Code 144: The Secrets of Coral Castle

Don Barone July 04, 2010 07:18PM

Re: Code 144: The Secrets of Coral Castle

Don Barone July 04, 2010 08:48PM

If you get an error message on PDF file ..

Don Barone July 05, 2010 06:36AM

Re: Code 144: The Secrets of Coral Castle

Don Barone July 05, 2010 08:07AM

Re: Code 144: The Secrets of Coral Castle

Don Barone July 05, 2010 08:33AM

Re: Code 144: The Secrets of Coral Castle

Khazar-khum July 14, 2010 03:34AM

Re: Code 144: The Secrets of Coral Castle

Don Barone July 14, 2010 06:55AM

Re: Code 144: The Secrets of Coral Castle

Byrd July 15, 2010 02:41PM

Re: Code 144: The Secrets of Coral Castle

Hermione July 15, 2010 02:55PM

Re: Code 144: The Secrets of Coral Castle

Don Barone July 15, 2010 03:34PM

Re: Code 144: The Secrets of Coral Castle

Don Barone July 15, 2010 03:33PM

Re: Code 144: The Secrets of Coral Castle

Byrd July 15, 2010 11:59PM

Re: Code 144: The Secrets of Coral Castle

Khazar-khum July 16, 2010 02:33PM

Code 144: The Secrets of Coral Castle

Jammer July 16, 2010 02:53PM

Re: Code 144: The Secrets of Coral Castle

Rick Baudé July 16, 2010 05:49PM

Re: Code 144: The Secrets of Coral Castle

Khazar-khum July 16, 2010 08:19PM

Re: Code 144: The Secrets of Coral Castle

sansahansan July 23, 2010 09:31AM

Re: Code 144: The Secrets of Coral Castle

Hermione July 23, 2010 09:39AM

Balancing doors...

Anthony July 20, 2010 09:55AM

Re: Balancing doors...

Khazar-khum July 20, 2010 03:31PM

Re: Balancing doors...

Rick Baudé July 20, 2010 03:46PM

Re: Balancing doors...

Anthony July 21, 2010 01:40PM

People watched him and wrote about it: Untrue

Don Barone July 22, 2010 10:34AM

Re: People watched him and wrote about it: true

Anthony July 22, 2010 05:47PM

Re: People watched him and wrote about it: true

Don Barone July 22, 2010 09:07PM

Re: People watched him and wrote about it: true

Anthony July 22, 2010 09:59PM

Re: Balancing doors...

Rick Baudé July 22, 2010 12:40PM

Re: Balancing doors...

Khazar-khum July 22, 2010 04:03PM

Re: Balancing doors...

Rick Baudé July 22, 2010 04:56PM

Re: Balancing doors...

lobo-hotei July 22, 2010 05:03PM

Re: Balancing doors...

Don Barone July 22, 2010 11:26PM

Buying the mythos

Anthony July 22, 2010 05:57PM

Re: Buying the mythos

Don Barone July 22, 2010 09:17PM

I am called a liar.

Anthony July 22, 2010 10:01PM

**Moderation note**

Hermione July 23, 2010 01:42AM

There is no "Mystery" of the Coral Castle, and I am no liar

Anthony July 23, 2010 08:39AM

Re: There is no "Mystery" of the Coral Castle, and I am no liar

Rick Baudé July 23, 2010 08:55AM

Re: There is no "Mystery" of the Coral Castle, and I am no liar

Don Barone July 23, 2010 09:39AM

Re: There is no "Mystery" of the Coral Castle, and I am no liar

Jammer July 23, 2010 10:01AM

Re: There is no "Mystery" of the Coral Castle, and I am no liar

Don Barone July 23, 2010 10:09AM

Re: There is no "Mystery" of the Coral Castle, and I am no liar

Greg Reeder July 23, 2010 10:13AM

Re: There is no "Mystery" of the Coral Castle, and I am no liar

Don Barone July 23, 2010 10:35AM

Now Mr. Irwin is a liar? 300 Residents say no.

Anthony July 23, 2010 10:53AM

Re: Now Mr. Irwin is a liar? 300 Residents say no.

Don Barone July 23, 2010 11:01AM

Again, EVIDENCE of no mystery, and a simple explanation

Anthony July 23, 2010 11:28AM

Re: Again, EVIDENCE of no mystery, and a simple explanation

Don Barone July 23, 2010 11:31AM

What is your objection?

Anthony July 23, 2010 12:08PM

301 Liars now?

Anthony July 23, 2010 11:31AM

Re: 301 Liars now?

Hermione July 23, 2010 12:16PM

Re: 301 Liars now?

Anthony July 23, 2010 12:22PM

Contemporaneous Newspaper article that explains Ed's Marketing Concept

Anthony July 23, 2010 12:37PM

Re: Contemporaneous Newspaper article that explains Ed's Marketing Concept

Don Barone July 23, 2010 12:48PM

Re: 301 Liars now?

Hermione July 23, 2010 02:01PM

Changing times

Anthony July 23, 2010 02:10PM

Let's start at the beginning

Don Barone July 23, 2010 12:43PM

Tripods and Winches

Anthony July 23, 2010 01:01PM

Re: Tripods and Winches

Don Barone July 23, 2010 01:07PM

Re: Tripods and Winches

Anthony July 23, 2010 01:16PM

Its a simple concept Don

Jammer July 23, 2010 01:17PM

Re: Its a simple concept Don

Anthony July 23, 2010 01:19PM

Re: Its a simple concept Don

Don Barone July 23, 2010 01:34PM

Pictures?

Anthony July 23, 2010 01:41PM

Final Note

Anthony July 23, 2010 02:14PM

Re: Its a simple concept Don

Jammer July 23, 2010 01:57PM

Re: Its a simple concept Don

Don Barone July 23, 2010 02:23PM

Re: Its a simple concept Don

Anthony July 23, 2010 08:50PM

Re: Its a simple concept Don

Don Barone July 23, 2010 09:14PM

Re: Its a simple concept Don

Sirfiroth July 23, 2010 11:02PM

More false assertions

Anthony July 24, 2010 05:34AM

save your indignation, Anthony

Sirfiroth July 24, 2010 01:53PM

Rightful indignation

Anthony July 24, 2010 02:46PM

Re: Rightful indignation

Sirfiroth July 24, 2010 03:30PM

Re: Rightful indignation

Anthony July 24, 2010 05:08PM

Re: save your indignation, Anthony

Rick Baudé July 24, 2010 03:16PM

Re: save your indignation, Anthony

Greg Reeder July 24, 2010 03:48PM

Re: save your indignation, Anthony

Sirfiroth July 24, 2010 04:20PM

Re: save your indignation, Anthony

Greg Reeder July 24, 2010 07:04PM

Re: save your indignation, Anthony

Sirfiroth July 24, 2010 10:02PM

Re: save your indignation, Anthony

Greg Reeder July 24, 2010 10:13PM

Re: save your indignation, Anthony

Sirfiroth July 24, 2010 11:52PM

Re: save your indignation, Anthony

Greg Reeder July 25, 2010 10:30AM

Re: save your indignation, Anthony

Sirfiroth July 25, 2010 10:58AM

Re: save your indignation, Anthony

Greg Reeder July 25, 2010 11:33AM

Re: save your indignation, Anthony

Warwick L Nixon July 26, 2010 12:31PM

Daffy Duck would say "ludicrious"

Jammer August 17, 2010 10:45AM

Re: Daffy Duck would say "ludicrious"

Sirfiroth August 17, 2010 11:05PM

Re: Daffy Duck would say "ludicrious"

Warwick L Nixon August 17, 2010 11:22PM

mediocrities

Sirfiroth August 18, 2010 02:13PM

Re: mediocrities

Warwick L Nixon August 18, 2010 02:51PM

Re: mediocrities

Sirfiroth August 18, 2010 07:12PM

Re: mediocrities

Warwick L Nixon August 19, 2010 09:39AM

**Moderation note**

Hermione August 18, 2010 03:39AM

Re: save your indignation, Rick

Sirfiroth July 24, 2010 04:05PM

Re: save your indignation, Rick

Rick Baudé July 24, 2010 06:11PM

Re: save your indignation, Rick

Rick Baudé July 24, 2010 06:15PM

Re: save your indignation, Rick

Sirfiroth July 24, 2010 10:06PM

Re: save your indignation, Anthony

lobo-hotei July 24, 2010 08:48PM

Re: save your indignation, Anthony

Sirfiroth July 24, 2010 11:10PM

Apples and Oranges

Anthony July 25, 2010 05:47AM

Re: Apples and Oranges

Sirfiroth July 25, 2010 10:52AM

Re: Apples and Oranges

lobo-hotei July 25, 2010 12:43PM

Re: Apples and Oranges

Sirfiroth July 25, 2010 01:58PM

Re: Apples and Oranges

lobo-hotei July 25, 2010 02:11PM

Re: Apples and Oranges

Khazar-khum July 25, 2010 03:09PM

Re: Apples and Oranges

Rick Baudé July 25, 2010 01:01PM

Re: Apples and Oranges

Anthony July 25, 2010 03:25PM

Fruitbasket.

Anthony July 26, 2010 10:46AM

Calculations, logic and anti-gravity machines

Anthony July 26, 2010 10:56AM

the weightier side of the discussion

Warwick L Nixon July 26, 2010 12:37PM

Re: the weightier side of the discussion

Anthony July 26, 2010 01:26PM

Re: the weightier side of the discussion

Warwick L Nixon July 27, 2010 09:48AM

Re: save your indignation, Anthony

lobo-hotei July 25, 2010 12:22PM

Re: save your indignation, Anthony

Sirfiroth July 25, 2010 02:06PM

Re: save your indignation, Anthony

lobo-hotei July 25, 2010 02:31PM

Re: save your indignation, Anthony

Sirfiroth July 25, 2010 05:12PM

Re: save your indignation, Anthony

Khazar-khum July 25, 2010 07:54PM

Re: save your indignation, Anthony

lobo-hotei July 25, 2010 11:06PM

Re: Its a simple concept Don

lobo-hotei July 25, 2010 04:06PM

Re: Its a simple concept Don

Jammer July 24, 2010 08:02AM

Re: Its a simple concept Don

Anthony July 24, 2010 09:49AM

Re: Its a simple concept Don

Don Barone July 24, 2010 07:09PM

Who?

Anthony July 24, 2010 07:32PM

Re: Who?

Don Barone July 26, 2010 10:51AM

Quotation and Citation

Anthony July 26, 2010 10:57AM

Real quotes, not imagined ones

Anthony July 26, 2010 11:39AM

Quality of research

Anthony July 26, 2010 11:40AM

Re: Quality of research

Don Barone July 26, 2010 11:51AM

Re: Quality of research

Greg Reeder July 26, 2010 12:03PM

Re: Quality of research

Don Barone July 26, 2010 12:06PM

Re: Quality of research

Greg Reeder July 26, 2010 12:07PM

Colonel Lake

Anthony July 26, 2010 01:36PM

Re: Colonel Lake

Hermione July 26, 2010 02:00PM

Re: Colonel Lake

Anthony July 26, 2010 02:08PM

Re: Colonel Lake

Warwick L Nixon July 27, 2010 10:32AM

Re: Quality of research

Hermione July 26, 2010 01:52PM

Re: Quality of research

Don Barone July 26, 2010 09:31PM

Re: Quality of research

Warwick L Nixon July 27, 2010 10:43AM

Re: Quality of research

Khazar-khum July 26, 2010 03:41PM

Re: Quality of research

Rick Baudé July 26, 2010 04:39PM

Re: Quality of research

Don Barone July 26, 2010 09:34PM

Re: Quality of research

Rick Baudé July 26, 2010 09:51PM

Re: Quality of research

Rick Baudé July 27, 2010 12:03AM

Nice try

Anthony July 27, 2010 04:33AM

Re: Nice try

Khazar-khum July 31, 2010 06:56PM

LOL

Anthony July 31, 2010 07:29PM

Re: LOL

Khazar-khum July 31, 2010 11:56PM

Re: LOL

Rick Baudé August 01, 2010 11:32AM

Re: LOL

Anthony August 01, 2010 06:27PM

Re: LOL

Rick Baudé August 03, 2010 04:21PM

Re: Quality of research

Warwick L Nixon July 27, 2010 11:00AM

Re: Quality of research

Anthony July 26, 2010 05:13PM

Re: Quality of research

Don Barone July 26, 2010 09:33PM

Re: Now Mr. Irwin is a liar? 300 Residents say no.

Don Barone July 23, 2010 11:39AM

Re: Now Mr. Irwin is a liar? 300 Residents say no.

Hermione July 26, 2010 02:19PM

Re: Now Mr. Irwin is a liar? 300 Residents say no.

Anthony July 26, 2010 02:51PM

Re: Buying the mythos

Rick Baudé July 23, 2010 08:49AM

Re: Buying the mythos

Anthony July 23, 2010 08:52AM

ROTFLMAO!

Anthony July 19, 2010 06:08PM

Re: ROTFLMAO!

Rick Baudé July 19, 2010 06:25PM

Re: ROTFLMAO!

Jammer July 20, 2010 11:24AM

Re: ROTFLMAO!

Anthony July 20, 2010 11:46AM

Food for thought!

Sirfiroth July 23, 2010 07:23AM

Re: Code 144: The Secrets of Coral Castle

Don Barone July 23, 2010 10:12AM

Hogwash

Anthony July 23, 2010 11:10AM

Re: Hogwash

Don Barone July 23, 2010 11:17AM

Re: Hogwash

RLH July 23, 2010 08:56PM

Quick note

Anthony July 23, 2010 03:25PM

Re: Quick note

Hermione July 23, 2010 03:31PM



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