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September 05, 2007 09:24AM
MJ Thomas Wrote:
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> Anthony Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > The priests were reading from the walls of
> the
> > causeway, pyramid temple and pyramid.
>
> Correction: It is alleged the priests were reading
> from the walls of the causeway, pyramid temple and
> pyramid.
>
> Unless, of course, somebody can prove otherwise.
>
> Also, how do we know that what these priests
> allegedly read to Herodotus was as allegedly
> written?



Excuse me. "Alleged"?

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On the pyramid it is declared in Egyptian writing ... and if I rightly remember that which the interpreter said in reading to me this inscription.... [www.bostonleadershipbuilders.com] (emphasis added)




Now it appears you are once again suggesting Herodotus wasn't telling the truth. Do you have proof of such an serious assertion? Don't weasel out of it by creating some flimsy excuse about how Herodotus couldn't tell whether or not they were actually reading to him from the wall of the pyramid or not. He clearly saw writing on the wall. It is not alleged, it is reported as fact. If you want to maintain your "alleged" claim, you're going to have to come up with PROOF that the Egyptians were intentionally misleading him about the translation.

Now, let's look very closely at the credibility of Herodotus, and how he reports on his travels in Egypt. He himself delineates between what they Egyptians told him, versus facts on which he himself reports as an eye witness:

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123. Now as to the tales told by the Egyptians, any man may accept them to whom such things appear credible; as for me, it is to be understood throughout the whole of the history that I write by hearsay that which is reported by the people in each place. [www.bostonleadershipbuilders.com]

He is very clear about what is being told to him

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...for let it be told in both ways, according as it is reported.


As opposed to what he himself reports as a fact about the size of the pyramids:

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This king followed the same manner as the other, both in all the rest and also in that he made a pyramid, not indeed attaining to the measurements of that which was built by the former (this I know, having myself also measured it) (emphasis added)


I would like to remind everyone that Herodotus gave us the first, best information on the pyramids at Giza ever recorded by western explorers. He is the FIRST to rightfully point out their mortuary functions; he is the FIRST to document the later verified names of the kings who built the pyramids; he is the FIRST to provide measurements of them; he is the FIRST to provide accurate descriptions of the causeways, temples and other features that archaeology has later found to be exactly accurate; he is the FIRST to accurately describe mummification procedures; and amongst other things, he is the FIRST to record the nature and function of the architectural features found inside the pyramids.

To suddenly claim that something he says as a fact is not so is a very strong charge. You can either back it up with evidence that he misrepresented the truth, that the Priests of Giza mistranslated the wall of the pyramid, or you can retract it. smearing his name, however, is simply argumentum ad hominem. Poor form.



Anthony

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him think.
Subject Author Posted

New paper on Giza layout by Giulio Magli

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Re: New paper on Giza layout by Giulio Magli

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Re: New paper on Giza layout by Giulio Magli

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Re: New paper on Giza layout by Giulio Magli

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Re: New paper on Giza layout by Giulio Magli

Anthony September 03, 2007 07:03AM

Re: New paper on Giza layout by Giulio Magli

Ritva Kurittu September 03, 2007 08:30AM

Re: New paper on Giza layout by Giulio Magli

Anthony September 03, 2007 10:04AM

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MJ Thomas September 04, 2007 06:00AM

The credibility of Herodotus, vis a vis Egypt

Anthony September 05, 2007 09:24AM

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Hermione September 05, 2007 10:07AM

Re: The credibility of Herodotus, vis a vis Egypt

Anthony September 05, 2007 10:14AM

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Re: The credibility of Herodotus, vis a vis Egypt

Anthony September 05, 2007 01:16PM

Re: The credibility of Herodotus, vis a vis Egypt

Lee September 05, 2007 01:58PM

Thanks, Lee (n/t)

Hermione September 05, 2007 02:03PM

Thank you, Lee

Anthony September 05, 2007 02:04PM

Re: Thank you, Lee

MJ Thomas September 05, 2007 04:22PM

Re: Thank you, Lee

Anthony September 05, 2007 04:39PM

Re: Thank you, Lee

Tommi Huhtamaki September 05, 2007 04:51PM

The Priests of Khufu, as identified by Herodotus

Anthony September 05, 2007 05:25PM

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Hermione September 06, 2007 06:50AM

Re: Thank you, Lee

Hermione September 06, 2007 03:42AM

Re: Thank you, Lee

Anthony September 06, 2007 08:58AM

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Hermione September 06, 2007 10:55AM

Final comments

Anthony September 06, 2007 01:49PM

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Anthony September 07, 2007 09:33AM

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MJ Thomas September 07, 2007 07:54PM

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MJ Thomas September 07, 2007 08:18PM

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Speculation as history

Anthony September 10, 2007 10:25AM

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Hermione September 10, 2007 11:03AM

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MJ Thomas September 13, 2007 04:57AM

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Hermione September 14, 2007 08:22AM

Re: Speculation as history

MJ Thomas September 14, 2007 04:54PM

Re: Final comments

Hermione September 07, 2007 08:23AM

Re: Final comments

Anthony September 07, 2007 08:27AM

Re: Final comments

Hermione September 07, 2007 09:54AM

Re: The credibility of Herodotus, vis a vis Egypt

Anthony September 05, 2007 12:16PM

Re: The credibility of Herodotus, vis a vis Egypt

Hermione September 05, 2007 01:59PM

Re: The credibility of Herodotus, vis a vis Egypt

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Re: New paper on Giza layout by Giulio Magli

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Re: New paper on Giza layout by Giulio Magli

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Hermione September 05, 2007 10:33AM

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Funerary inscriptions

Anthony September 05, 2007 07:53PM

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Lee September 06, 2007 12:16PM

I agree

Anthony September 06, 2007 12:34PM

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Hermione September 06, 2007 03:01AM

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