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May 4, 2024, 10:43 am UTC    
July 28, 2005 04:57PM
> The newer technology offered by the commercial sector getting involved in space flight
> (though not yet space exploration... or maybe so if you include the failed Cosmos 1)
> will start to bring down the cost of space flight in general, even for NASA.

IMHO that is only wishful thinking in your part!

It makes good PR, but the issues associated with safety, liabilities, finger pointing, etc, etc, are all going against your position...

> Then when the commercial sector can deal with getting people in to space, NASA the
> ESA and others can concentrate on solving the next level of problems, inter solar travel.

No within a debt based socio-economic system with the present growing energy costs! IMHO your idealism is not real in terms of execution!!!

> It has happened before. In todays societ you might hop on a commercial airliner
> to get to a conference, but back in the days when there were only two or three
> specialist companies that made aircraft it was firmly in the hands of the pioneers.

True, I will agree with you about that, but what is different now is that the socio-economic models that we have been using for these last few centuries are going exponential and, therefore, can no longer scale as is in the 21st century. Note that all the data supports my more "realistic" position on this vs. your idealism!

> From a personal perspective as well, I don't think society is quite ready to explode
> in on itself at the moment.

Well there are some significant global socio-economic changes going on right now. For example, for these last 5+ years, China and India's economies have grown much, much faster in real terms than USA and Europe...

So there is a global shift of economic power going on...

> If it happens (and remember the last great empire to collapse in on itself was the
> British, and it has hardly been cataclysmic),

True, I will agree with you about that one also.

> I think today it will only really be
> noticeable by a shift in power, ideas and information,
> and not by the bloody upsurges of the past.

I don't know about that since History tends to repeat it self over and over again, it is always the same old story to a certain extend, but with different players. The game of life...

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The Spaceship Company

Peski July 27, 2005 05:01PM

Re: The Spaceship Company

wirelessguru1 July 27, 2005 05:55PM

Re: The Spaceship Company

MikeS July 28, 2005 04:39AM

Re: The Spaceship Company

Peski July 27, 2005 06:03PM

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cicely July 27, 2005 07:20PM

Shuttle fleet grounded again

MikeS July 28, 2005 02:48AM

Re: Shuttle fleet grounded again

wirelessguru1 July 28, 2005 10:50AM

Re: Shuttle fleet grounded again

MikeS July 28, 2005 01:17PM

Re: Shuttle fleet grounded again

Stephanie July 28, 2005 02:47PM

Re: Shuttle fleet grounded again

wirelessguru1 July 28, 2005 04:42PM

Re: Shuttle fleet grounded again

Stephanie July 28, 2005 05:05PM

Re: Shuttle fleet grounded again

MikeS July 29, 2005 03:54AM

Re: Shuttle fleet grounded again

wirelessguru1 July 28, 2005 04:57PM

Re: Shuttle fleet grounded again

MikeS July 29, 2005 02:55AM

Re: Shuttle fleet grounded again

wirelessguru1 July 29, 2005 01:40PM

Re: Shuttle fleet grounded again

MikeS July 30, 2005 06:33PM

Re: Shuttle fleet grounded again

wirelessguru1 July 30, 2005 09:33PM

Re: Shuttle fleet grounded again

MikeS July 31, 2005 01:30PM

Re: Shuttle fleet grounded again

wirelessguru1 July 31, 2005 08:46PM

Re: Shuttle fleet grounded again

wirelessguru1 July 31, 2005 09:18PM

Re: Shuttle fleet grounded again

Peski July 31, 2005 09:32PM

Re: Shuttle fleet grounded again

wirelessguru1 July 31, 2005 10:28PM

Re: Shuttle fleet grounded again

MikeS August 01, 2005 02:54AM

Excellent example of a strawman arguement

MikeS August 01, 2005 02:46PM

Re: Excellent example of a strawman arguement

wirelessguru1 August 01, 2005 04:20PM

Re: Excellent example of a strawman arguement

MikeS August 01, 2005 04:41PM

Re: Excellent example of a strawman arguement

wirelessguru1 August 01, 2005 05:25PM

Re: Excellent example of a strawman arguement

MikeS August 02, 2005 03:26AM

Re: Excellent example of a strawman arguement

wirelessguru1 August 02, 2005 03:54PM

concord not an example

MikeS August 10, 2005 03:01AM

Re: concord not an example

wirelessguru1 August 10, 2005 05:10PM

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MikeS August 11, 2005 07:27AM

Re: concord not an example

wirelessguru1 August 11, 2005 01:21PM

Re: concord not an example

Mercury Rapids August 11, 2005 02:17PM

Re: concord not an example

wirelessguru1 August 11, 2005 05:06PM

Re: concord not an example

Mercury Rapids August 12, 2005 09:46AM

Re: concord not an example

John Wall August 12, 2005 09:50AM

Re: concord not an example

wirelessguru1 August 12, 2005 06:25PM

Re: concord not an example

Mercury Rapids August 12, 2005 06:54PM



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