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May 20, 2024, 11:27 am UTC    
June 03, 2005 08:06PM
Stephen Tonkin Wrote:
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> True, but this is infiltrating spies into
> universities.

No.... this is taking novice or potential spies and using universities to train them in skills that might assist their performance further down the line. How does it differ from using university courses to teach foreign languages to field agents or case officers?

Remember, the article did NOT say that the individuals in question would go on to academic careers, conducting research WHILE covertly spying for the CIA. In all likelihood, they would simply be regular CIA/etc agents..... improved by a better understanding of foreign cultures.

Don't YOU think things would have turned out better if the U.S. intelligence community had better understood the Islamic world prior to 9-11? Or even prior to Israel's establishment back in '48?

Don't you think things would have turned out better if the U.S. intelligence community had better understood political & social dynamics in SE Asia...... BEFORE the U.S. got itself mired down there?


> Reminiscent of when I was at
> university in SOuth Africa at the end of the 1960s
> -- it was common knowledge that there were a
> couple of BOSS (Bureau of State Security) agents
> in each hall of residence, keeping an eye on
> "subversive" political activity.

No, this is totally unlike. In your case, covert govt ops were trying to police or spy on potentially subsersive students (And I presume academics?). In the article John Wall presented, the recruits were NOT going to report on fellow students, were NOT going to stifle academic freedom..... they were simply learning how to be better agents.

> We discovered who
> one of ours was -- he had such delights as a dead
> shark hung over his basin then, a day later, the
> same shark retreived and placed in his suitcase
> (which was on top of his cupboard) -- it was a
> while before he realised that it wasn't just
> "remnant odour" .

Nope.... definitely not the same type of thing.

> The next year, after I had
> left, he apparently had hi sdrink spiked wiht one
> of the substances that seems to be getting the
> thumbs up from an author best known for his
> prominence in the field of global master-race
> promotion.
>
> --
> Best,
> Stephen

Too bad. Rather than descend to sophomoric harassment (which DID allowed your peers to express their spite, but also allowed him to stay around, doing his job for at least a year), it's too bad your peers didn't simply have him "outed" in some highly public manner that would have negated his effectiveness just as effectively.... and perhaps even given him a blackmark with his employer for incompetance? If they REALLY felt the need for theatrics or practical jokes, something like spray painting the information on his dorm wall or his vehicle.... or even on his forehead while he slept (using a stencil, of course?) would have been just as humorous but far less vindictive. Filling HIS quarters or possessions with subversive literature would have been high art, as such things go. But the shark incident, and the spiking, were merely petty & mean.

Kenuchelover.
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Fears over CIA 'university spies'

John Wall June 03, 2005 03:38AM

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Mercury Rapids June 03, 2005 05:28AM

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Pete Clarke June 03, 2005 06:45AM

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Mercury Rapids June 03, 2005 07:07AM

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Dave L June 03, 2005 11:01AM

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kenuchelover June 03, 2005 08:10PM

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Dave L June 04, 2005 07:22AM

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kenuchelover June 04, 2005 10:21AM

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Dave L June 04, 2005 02:41PM

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kenuchelover June 04, 2005 08:02PM

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Dave L June 04, 2005 08:52PM

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kenuchelover June 05, 2005 07:41PM

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Stephen Tonkin June 03, 2005 11:22AM

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Dave L June 03, 2005 12:56PM

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kenuchelover June 03, 2005 08:06PM

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Stephen Tonkin June 04, 2005 12:25AM

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Doug Weller June 04, 2005 12:27AM

Whatever.... n/t

Stephen Tonkin June 04, 2005 09:35AM

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kenuchelover June 04, 2005 10:30AM

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Doug Weller June 04, 2005 11:25AM

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Lee June 04, 2005 02:49PM

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kenuchelover June 03, 2005 07:41PM

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darkuser June 12, 2005 12:11AM



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