Roxana Cooper Wrote:
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> JimLewandowski Wrote:
>
> > > You ever heard of Anti-Semitism?
> >
> > ***
> > No, I live in a cave.
>
> Oh. That explains it.
>
>
> > Moral relativism? I'm shocked that so many
> > "academicians" bring moral relativism to
> something
> > like this. FTR, I don't CARE which group
> commits
> > which misdeeds. I do care about calling out
> those
> > facts and having the evildoers own up to
> what
> > they've done. If people want to support
> > evildoers, they have that prerogative.
>
> My point, Jim is that the behavior of the
> Catholic
> Church in the past was part and parcel of the
> mores
> of the time.

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WRONG. It was maybe acceptable for the mores of large groups or organizations, but not for the individual. Did people who MIGHT have been non-believers (witches, heretics) think killing people for their beliefs was wrong? Of course they thought it was wrong.



As can be seen by the fact other,
> opposing
> groups did that same.

***
Keyword: groups.

Is it fair to say that groups that did NOT act like the CC did so because they didn't believe the actions of the CC were moral?


Thus if you are inclined to
>
> blame the modern Catholic Church for the sins of
> its long
> past you must logically condemn the Protestant
> Churches as
> well.

***
Exactly. Consistency.


>
> Now personally I don't believe in blaming
> present day people
> and organizations for the misdeeds of their
> forbearers.

***
Neither do I.


Or in
> judging the past by the mores of the present.
> Clearly you
> feel differently.

***
The CC has PRESENTLY conspired to hide nefarious acts committed by employees of said organization. You can't seem to grasp this SIMPLE concept. If the CC had been "clean" for the last hundred years, I'd be willing to cut them a break. But, naturally, they couldn't do it.

And, I will bet any amount of money the CC will commit nefarious deeds that go against the MORES OF THE TIME over and over again.


>
> Allow me to make one point clear. Neither I nor
> I believe anybody
> here is talking about banning TDVC or any other
> tendentious work.
> I am merely explaining why it is necessary to
> energetically challenge
> and debunk such works.

***
It's not necessary. If not ONE person takes ACTION based on their beliefs that much in DVC is truthful, it's MOOT. Do you really think DVC will have any affect anywhere in society that involves ACTION.

Yes, virtually all in my DVC group said reading DVC has caused them to look more into the beliefs they had been taught. But, this is personal (beliefs) that occur between one's own ears and don't directly affect any others.

JL

>
>




Shephard of Hermas - 2[79]:2 Now this rock was ancient, and had a gate hewn out of it; but the gate seemed to me to have been hewed out quite recently. And the gate glistened beyond the brightness of the sun, so that I marvelled at the brightness of the gate.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 11/28/2005 11:27AM by JimLewandowski.