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October 07, 2001 07:54AM
<HTML>Okay, Sandy.

Here's what I've found on amoprhous silica...

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A box of silica was amorphized by heating up to 5000 K , letting the melt diffuse for some time and then cooling down again to 300 K. The cooling rates applied in the Molecular Dynamics simulation are are of the order of several thousands of degrees per second, which makes it impossible for the silica to crystallize again. Below is a snapshot of the amorphous silica at room temperature.
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Silica is a three dimensional network of silicon dioxide, most commonly encountered as sand. Silica exists in crystalline and amorphous forms. Silica is chemically resistant at ordinary temperatures but can undergo a variety of transformations at high temperatures (greater than 500ºC) and pressures. The industrial production of amorphous silica requires temperatures of 500ºC and much higher temperatures are required to produce crystalline silica.

The prolonged inhalation of crystalline silica dust is associated with silicosis. Amorphous silica is much less pathogenic than crystalline forms. Conversion of amorphous to crystalline silica cannot occur at body temperature. High purity amorphous silica is used as a reinforcing agent to increase the tear resistance of silicone rubbers used in medical devices and implants.
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Both these examples require EXTREMELY high heat to produce any significant amount of amorphous silica. This seemed to be a problem. Until I read this article.

This article shows where the amorphous silica has a place of natural origin, and how it was used 2000 years ago - in MASSIVE quantities - to create a DIFFERENT kind of concrete... this time, by the Romans!

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The Riddle of Ancient Roman Concrete
David Moore, PE
Retired Professional Engineer, Bureau of Reclamation
Assistant Professor, Central Texas College

Copyright 1993 David Moore, P.E.



(This article first appeared in "The Spillway" a newsletter of the US Dept. of the Interior, Bureau of Reclamation, Upper Colorado Region, February, 1993)

Ancient Roman concrete has withstood the attack by elements for over 2,000 years. The basic construction techniques of the Romans must be better than those of modern practice as judged by comparing the products. Can we learn from the Romans in some way to improve our concrete?

Dusty ancient history books taught us that Roman concrete consisted of just three parts: a pasty, hydrate lime; pozzolan ash from a nearby volcano; and a few pieces of fist-sized rock. If these parts were mixed together in the manner of modern concrete and placed in a structure, the result certainly would not pass the test of the ages. The riddle plaguing the minds of our concrete specialists . . . how did those Romans around the time of Christ build such elaborate, ageless structures in concrete as seen on the skyline of Rome?

A most unusual Roman structure depicting their technical advancement is the Pantheon, a brick faced building that has withstood the ravages of weathering in near perfect condition, sitting magnificently in the business district of Rome. Perhaps its longevity is told by its purpose . . . to honor all gods. Above all, this building humbles the modern engineer not only in its artistic splendor, but also because there are no steel rods to counter the high tensile forces such as we need to hold modern concrete together. Describing this large circular building tells much of the intelligence of its builders; it was designed to contain a fictional ball, and is some 143 feet in diameter with a wall in the form of skirts dropping from its circumference. In the center of the dome is a 19-foot opening held in place by a bronze ring backed by a brick ring integrated into the concrete dome. This ingenious opening admitted sunlight to brighten the interior The slightly curved marble floor provided drainage and the complex notches in the walls and ceiling tell only a few features of its meticulous design.

Solving the riddle of ancient concrete consisted of two studies: one was understanding the chemistry, and the other was determining the placement of ancient concrete. To understand its chemical composition, we must go back in time much before Moses. People of the Middle East made walls for their fortifications and homes by pounding moist clay between forms, often called pise work. To protect the surfaces of the clay from erosion, the ancients discovered that a moist coating of thin, white, burnt limestone would chemically combine with the gases in the air to give a hard protecting shied. We can only guess that the event of discovering pseudo concrete occurred some 200 years before Christ when a lime coating was applied to a wall made of volcanic, pozzolanic ash near the town of Pozzuoli in Italy.

A chemical reaction took place between the chemicals in the wall of volcanic ash (silica and small amounts of alumina and iron oxide) and the layer of lime (calcium hydroxide) applied to the wall. Later they found that mixing a little volcanic ash in a fine powder with the moist lime made a thicker coat, but it also produced a durable product that could be submerged in water- something that the plaster product of wet lime and plain sand could not match. To explain this chemical difference we must examine the atomic structure. Common plaster is made with wet lime and plain sand. This sand has a crystalline atomic structure whereby the silica is so condensed there are no atom holes in the molecular network to allow the calcium hydroxide molecule from the lime to enter and react. The opposite is true with the wet lime-pozzolan contact. The pozzolan has an amorphous silica atomic structure with many holes in the molecular network. Upon mixing the wet lime with the pozzolan, the calcium hydroxide enters the atomic holes to make a concrete gel that expands, bonding pieces of rock together. The fine powder condition of the pozzolan provides a large surface area to enhance chemical reaction. We find parts of the complex chemistry of the ancient concrete bonding gel matching the same chemical formula of modern concrete bonding gel. And this is so; the pozzolan-wet lime gel gave permanence to the ancient c concrete. Explaining the placement of ancient concrete solved the second part of the riddle. Unwittingly, research by the Bureau of Reclamation played a key role here. Chemistry alone will not make good concrete. People make good concrete, and the Bureau of Reclamation has claimed the fame of this expertise. Although a new concrete product called roller compacted concrete had been crudely developed, Reclamation's refinements made it an economical candidate for dam construction. In 1987, the Bureau of Reclamation's astute engineering force built the large Upper Stillwater Dam made of roller compacted concrete in eastern Utah. This concrete consisted of a mixture of 40 percent Portland cement and 60 percent fly ash, a byproduct of electric power plants. By coincidence, the fly ash contained the same amorphous silica compounds as the ash from explosive volcanoes. And the hydrated Portland cement released the calcium component recognized in the lime part of the ancient concrete formula. When Reclamation mixed these two parts for their dam. a bonding gel was formed to tie inert rock pieces of the hatch together. These rocks were used as a strong filler material much in the same manner as is used in standard concrete practices. So we can easily relate the calcium hydroxide molecules from the Portland cement to that of the ancient wet lime, and the amorphous silica of the pozzolan fly ash to the amorphous silica of the volcanic pozzolan. Thus, we have established a reasonable relationship for the concrete components that make the gel for both modern and ancient concrete.

The similarity of the ingredients of modern and ancient concrete has been explained, but there is more. Studies of the placement process are very important in making durable concrete. The Bureau of Reclamation mixed their components (cement, ash, and rock) with as little water as possible to give a stiff, "no-slump" concrete; spread it in layers on the dam; and pounded it into place by large vibrating rollers to make a new class of concrete. The ancients hand mixed their components (wet lime and volcanic ash) in a mortar box with very little water to give a nearly dry composition; carried it to the job site in baskets placing it over a previously prepared layer of rock pieces; and then proceeded to pound the mortar into the rock layer. Fortunately, we have proof. Vitruvius, the noted Roman architect (cir. 20 BC) mentioned this process in his history formulas for his concrete, plus the fact that special tamping tools were used to build a cistern wall. Is this important? Yes, close packing of the molecular structure by tamping reduced the need of excess water, which is a source of voids and weakness. But also close packing produces more bonding gel than might be normally expected. Again, we have a similarity in the ancient and roller compacted concrete practices, which is that of tightly compacting the materials in their placement.

We have learned that ancient concrete was a simple mixture of wet lime and pozzolan in specific ratios to match the desires of the Roman architect. We have also learned that the Romans followed a placement method of tamping their stiff mortar into the voids of a rock layer. And interestingly enough, the new concrete that has been developed by the Bureau of Reclamation follows closely that of the ancients. So we can readily assume that the new class of concrete in Upper Stillwater Dam will last . . .perhaps for 2.000 years like the ancient Roman concrete.

Copyright © 1999 David Moore, PE davemoore@romanconcrete</b>

This data seems to suggest that amorphous silica COULD have replaced the natural quartz in the faience. I'm wondering how easy it would have been to detect the difference between melted quartz and amorphous silica? They ARE the same chemical compound, just structured differently, due to a temperature disruption of their lattice structure.

and isn't that what "melting" the quartz is all about?

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Subject Author Posted

Geopolymer... 1 piece at a time

Anthony October 04, 2001 11:43AM

Question 1... timeframe

Anthony October 04, 2001 11:47AM

Re: Question 1... timeframe

Sandy J. Perkins October 05, 2001 10:23AM

Nice answers

Anthony October 05, 2001 10:44AM

Re: Nice answers

Claire October 05, 2001 10:50AM

Re: Nice answers

Sandy J. Perkins October 05, 2001 11:04AM

Easy, boy....down Sandy....

Anthony October 05, 2001 01:10PM

I hunted it down

Sandy J. Perkins October 05, 2001 11:24PM

Re: Nice answers

Frank Doernenburg October 05, 2001 01:18PM

Frank...

Anthony October 05, 2001 01:24PM

Re: Frank...

Frank Doernenburg October 05, 2001 05:09PM

Wrong Frank

Sandy J. Perkins October 05, 2001 11:06PM

Sandy...

Anthony October 06, 2001 05:32AM

Answer

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 05:47AM

Re: Answer

Anthony October 06, 2001 05:49AM

Re: Answer

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 06:00AM

Amazing

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 06:45AM

Re: Amazing

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 07:00AM

Frank...

Anthony October 06, 2001 07:02AM

Double Amazing

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 12:12PM

Talk to me, Sandy

Anthony October 06, 2001 12:17PM

Re: Double Amazing

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 06:32PM

Triple Amazing!

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 04:12AM

Re: Triple Amazing!

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 05:23AM

Reprimand for Frank

Anthony October 07, 2001 07:31AM

Re: Is this link of any help?

al-Urman October 07, 2001 07:47AM

quintuple amazing

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 07:57AM

Re: quintuple amazing

al-Urman October 07, 2001 08:05AM

Re: One more try ...

al-Urman October 07, 2001 08:08AM

Re: One more try ...

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 09:11AM

Opals vs Opal ct

Anthony October 07, 2001 09:24AM

Re: Opals vs Opal ct

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 09:51AM

FD Out to Lunch!

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 02:15PM

Re: FD Out to Lunch!

Anthony October 07, 2001 02:32PM

Opal Ct

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 02:53PM

Re: FD Out to Lunch!

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 02:59PM

Re: FD Out to Lunch!

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 02:32PM

Re: FD Out to Lunch!

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 03:02PM

Re: FD Out to Lunch!

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 03:33PM

Re: Inside or outside?

al-Urman October 07, 2001 03:39PM

Re: Inside or outside?

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 04:00PM

Re: One more try ...

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 09:23AM

Most Incredible Thing I've Ever Seen

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 02:20PM

Re: Most Incredible Thing I've Ever Seen

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 03:41PM

Re: One more try ...

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 02:08PM

What???

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 02:02PM

Not very amazing

Anthony October 07, 2001 08:07AM

Re: Not very amazing

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 08:47AM

Re: Not very amazing

Anthony October 07, 2001 09:05AM

Re: Not very amazing

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 10:15AM

HEY! Sandy... question

Anthony October 07, 2001 10:41AM

Anthony - Answer

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 02:46PM

Re: Anthony - Answer

Anthony October 07, 2001 05:27PM

Re: Anthony - Answer

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 05:37PM

FD's Latest Ball of Confusion

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 02:30PM

Bad Sandy... BAD!

Anthony October 07, 2001 02:38PM

Unfair!

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 03:15PM

Re: Unfair!

Anthony October 07, 2001 05:34PM

Re: Unfair!

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 06:25PM

Perspectives

Anthony October 07, 2001 07:06PM

Dr. Perkins - Congrats!

Cliff Synder October 08, 2001 07:02AM

Mr. Snyder

Anthony October 08, 2001 07:23AM

Re: Dr. Perkins - Congrats!

Blue October 08, 2001 01:11PM

Re: Dr. Perkins - Congrats!

Anthony October 08, 2001 02:10PM

Re: Dr. Perkins - Congrats!

Blue October 08, 2001 02:15PM

Re: Dr. Perkins - Congrats!

Anthony October 08, 2001 02:33PM

Re: Reprimand for Frank

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 01:59PM

See my post below with your name on it FD

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 01:52PM

Re: Answer

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 06:36AM

Ref. on Artificial Sandstone

Anthony October 05, 2001 01:30PM

Independent Confirmation

Anthony October 05, 2001 03:45PM

Question for Frank...

Anthony October 05, 2001 03:48PM

Re: Question for Frank...

al-Urman October 05, 2001 03:49PM

Re: Question for Frank...

Frank Doernenburg October 05, 2001 05:15PM

Excellent points by Frank...Q for Sandy

Anthony October 05, 2001 05:22PM

Here's the reference (I thought I had seen it)

Anthony October 05, 2001 05:26PM

Re: Here's the reference (I thought I had seen it)

Greg Reeder October 05, 2001 08:32PM

Fayence - a summary

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 04:04AM

Excellent job, Frank... final judgment

Anthony October 06, 2001 05:36AM

Re: Excellent job, Frank... final judgment

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 05:50AM

Faience, without clay

Anthony October 06, 2001 05:58AM

Re: Faience, without clay

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 06:43AM

SANDY &amp; FRANK...HELLO!

Anthony October 06, 2001 07:00AM

Re: SANDY &amp; FRANK...HELLO!

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 07:13AM

Re: SANDY &amp; FRANK...HELLO!

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 07:23AM

Frank ...?

Anthony October 06, 2001 07:34AM

Re: Frank ...?

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 07:44AM

Sandy...OVER HERE!

Anthony October 06, 2001 08:04AM

Anthony Look Here

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 11:18AM

Sandy... I'm looking

Anthony October 06, 2001 12:13PM

Be Selective

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 04:22AM

Re: Amorphous silica

al-Urman October 07, 2001 04:45AM

Amorphous silica in Geopolymer

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 05:39AM

Amorphous Silica...LONG post

Anthony October 07, 2001 07:54AM

Re: Amorphous Silica...LONG post

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 03:19PM

Re: Excellent job, Frank... final judgment

al-Urman October 06, 2001 09:19AM

Hot stuff

Anthony October 06, 2001 10:30AM

Foundation of knowledge

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 07:15AM

Get the Real Point

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 07:04AM

SANDY!!!!!!!!! A new rule

Anthony October 06, 2001 07:17AM

Take this to heart

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 11:34AM

Re: Take this to heart

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 01:13PM

Heartless comments...lol

Anthony October 06, 2001 01:45PM

Re: Heartless comments...lol

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 01:55PM

Sorry to annoy you...

Anthony October 06, 2001 02:08PM

Settng the Record Straight

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 05:09AM

Settng the Record Straight

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 05:21AM

Settng the Record Straight

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 05:22AM

Need I Say More?

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 04:38AM

Re: Need I Say More?

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 05:46AM

BRAVO FRANK!

Anthony October 07, 2001 08:16AM

To All Re: Frank's Olive Branch

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 01:10PM

Helluva post, Sandy J

Anthony October 07, 2001 01:25PM

Re: Paradigm shift

al-Urman October 07, 2001 01:49PM

Re: To All Re: Frank's Olive Branch

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 02:11PM

Refuting the theory

Anthony October 07, 2001 02:44PM

Re: Refuting the theory

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 03:20PM

To All

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 06:06PM

Nice points

Anthony October 07, 2001 07:13PM

Re: To All

Frank Doernenburg October 08, 2001 03:57AM

Re: Independent Confirmation

Greg Reeder October 05, 2001 05:14PM

Re: Independent Confirmation

Frank Doernenburg October 05, 2001 05:18PM

Yes Anthony

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 06:07AM

Explanation

Sandy J. Perkins October 05, 2001 11:40PM

Absolutely Correct

Anthony October 06, 2001 05:47AM

Re: Absolutely Correct

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 07:36AM

Pay Attention

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 05:48AM

Re: Pay Attention

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 06:00AM

Re: Ref. on Artificial Sandstone

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 07:16AM

Re: Ref. on Artificial Sandstone

Anthony October 06, 2001 07:19AM

Re: Ref. on Artificial Sandstone

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 07:25AM

Re: Question 1... timeframe

R. Avry Wilson October 04, 2001 04:11PM

Re: Question 1... timeframe

Anthony October 04, 2001 04:24PM

Re: Question 1... timeframe

Sandy J. Perkins October 05, 2001 11:17AM

Re: Question 1... timeframe

Anthony October 05, 2001 01:13PM

Re: Question 1... timeframe

Chris Dunn October 05, 2001 08:38PM

Re: Question 1... timeframe

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 12:04AM

Re: Question 1... timeframe

Chris Dunn October 07, 2001 07:16PM

Valid point

Anthony October 07, 2001 07:35PM

Re: May I?

al-Urman October 07, 2001 11:03PM

Re: May I?

Anthony October 08, 2001 05:49AM

Your horse

Chris Dunn October 05, 2001 08:59PM

Re: Your horse

Anthony October 05, 2001 09:30PM

Re: Your horse

Chris Dunn October 05, 2001 10:00PM

Re: Your horse

al-Urman October 06, 2001 01:14AM

Paul &amp; Chris

Anthony October 06, 2001 05:44AM

Hi Tech Advocates

Anthony October 06, 2001 05:51AM

Big Problem

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 07:25AM

Update

Anthony October 05, 2001 10:18AM

Sandy...Q1 : timeframe

R. Avry Wilson October 06, 2001 04:34PM

Avry

Anthony October 06, 2001 04:42PM

Re: Avry

R. Avry Wilson October 06, 2001 05:05PM



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