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October 06, 2001 06:43AM
<HTML>> Please note that Egyptian Faience is significantly different than regular faience. It is made without clay, and as such, requires a lower firing temperature.

Excuse me, but Nicholson writes ONLY about Egyptian Fayence. The other, Italian Fayence, has been renamed to "majolica", therefore "fayence" always means "Egyptian Fayence" in modern literature.


>Davidovits claims to have produced Egyptian faience using a simple campfire.

Sure, you can reach the lowest glazing temperatures there. But it would have been no nice piece of art because you get the real flux only above 950°C

> IF it were produced the way YOU have stated, then you would be correct. As Dr. Davidovits has produced it in the way HE has stated, I'm afraid it loan CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence to his case that the AE's had the capacity to do low temperature recreations of sandstone.

No because Fayence and Sandstone are two complete different things (and I cannot think that any keen examiner would not see the difference). Sandy argues with results made in the beginning of Egyptology ä quite a source :-)


> Now, we ALL know that it is not sandstone... but it was close enough to fool people for many years.

I found no wevidence for this. Not a single word, neither in Nicholson/Shaw, nor in Lucas/Harris. not even in "Egyptiasn Fauence and glass" by Nicholson (Shire 1993) I could find the smllest hint that Fayence ever was misinterpreted as natural stone.

> It wasn't UNTIL it could be microscopically inspected that it was shown to be anything BUT sandstone.

Not according to Nicholson. Fayence was a well known material in Europe, produced around the italian town Faence since the middle ages. The similarity to this now Majola named pottery was so striking that it was believed to be the same material. Only later it was found out that it was made without clay as binder but with ash, and that tze glazing was not tin based.

Sorry, I am unable to find a word about a confusion with sand stone. The only thing I could find were some remarks, that the cores of dark brown objects would have pulverized sand ston as basic material whereas white cores came from pulverized quarz crystals or pebbles (Lucas/Harris p. 158).

I can't summarize all pages I have read about hte topic in the last days, but the general conclusion is: There was never a confusion between sand stone and fayence. Sorry. Not in for Egyptology relevant times.


> All we're doing is setting the stage here, Frank. This is STRICTLY circumstantial evidence... nothing more. Liken it to a murder suspect. You find in his file that he had shot a gun when he was 12 years old. It certainly doesn't mean he pulled a trigger when he was 35... it just means he had the capacity to USE a gun.

No, not even this. It is as if you take a photo of a person from the year 1963 and say, that this is the evidence that in 2003 one of the persons living with this guy in the same town will shoot someone... :-)


>It just means he USED a gun before.

No, only that somebody living in a 25 km radius MAY use a gun fourty years later...

FD :-)</HTML>
Subject Author Posted

Geopolymer... 1 piece at a time

Anthony October 04, 2001 11:43AM

Question 1... timeframe

Anthony October 04, 2001 11:47AM

Re: Question 1... timeframe

Sandy J. Perkins October 05, 2001 10:23AM

Nice answers

Anthony October 05, 2001 10:44AM

Re: Nice answers

Claire October 05, 2001 10:50AM

Re: Nice answers

Sandy J. Perkins October 05, 2001 11:04AM

Easy, boy....down Sandy....

Anthony October 05, 2001 01:10PM

I hunted it down

Sandy J. Perkins October 05, 2001 11:24PM

Re: Nice answers

Frank Doernenburg October 05, 2001 01:18PM

Frank...

Anthony October 05, 2001 01:24PM

Re: Frank...

Frank Doernenburg October 05, 2001 05:09PM

Wrong Frank

Sandy J. Perkins October 05, 2001 11:06PM

Sandy...

Anthony October 06, 2001 05:32AM

Answer

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 05:47AM

Re: Answer

Anthony October 06, 2001 05:49AM

Re: Answer

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 06:00AM

Amazing

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 06:45AM

Re: Amazing

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 07:00AM

Frank...

Anthony October 06, 2001 07:02AM

Double Amazing

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 12:12PM

Talk to me, Sandy

Anthony October 06, 2001 12:17PM

Re: Double Amazing

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 06:32PM

Triple Amazing!

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 04:12AM

Re: Triple Amazing!

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 05:23AM

Reprimand for Frank

Anthony October 07, 2001 07:31AM

Re: Is this link of any help?

al-Urman October 07, 2001 07:47AM

quintuple amazing

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 07:57AM

Re: quintuple amazing

al-Urman October 07, 2001 08:05AM

Re: One more try ...

al-Urman October 07, 2001 08:08AM

Re: One more try ...

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 09:11AM

Opals vs Opal ct

Anthony October 07, 2001 09:24AM

Re: Opals vs Opal ct

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 09:51AM

FD Out to Lunch!

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 02:15PM

Re: FD Out to Lunch!

Anthony October 07, 2001 02:32PM

Opal Ct

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 02:53PM

Re: FD Out to Lunch!

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 02:59PM

Re: FD Out to Lunch!

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 02:32PM

Re: FD Out to Lunch!

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 03:02PM

Re: FD Out to Lunch!

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 03:33PM

Re: Inside or outside?

al-Urman October 07, 2001 03:39PM

Re: Inside or outside?

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 04:00PM

Re: One more try ...

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 09:23AM

Most Incredible Thing I've Ever Seen

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 02:20PM

Re: Most Incredible Thing I've Ever Seen

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 03:41PM

Re: One more try ...

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 02:08PM

What???

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 02:02PM

Not very amazing

Anthony October 07, 2001 08:07AM

Re: Not very amazing

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 08:47AM

Re: Not very amazing

Anthony October 07, 2001 09:05AM

Re: Not very amazing

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 10:15AM

HEY! Sandy... question

Anthony October 07, 2001 10:41AM

Anthony - Answer

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 02:46PM

Re: Anthony - Answer

Anthony October 07, 2001 05:27PM

Re: Anthony - Answer

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 05:37PM

FD's Latest Ball of Confusion

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 02:30PM

Bad Sandy... BAD!

Anthony October 07, 2001 02:38PM

Unfair!

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 03:15PM

Re: Unfair!

Anthony October 07, 2001 05:34PM

Re: Unfair!

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 06:25PM

Perspectives

Anthony October 07, 2001 07:06PM

Dr. Perkins - Congrats!

Cliff Synder October 08, 2001 07:02AM

Mr. Snyder

Anthony October 08, 2001 07:23AM

Re: Dr. Perkins - Congrats!

Blue October 08, 2001 01:11PM

Re: Dr. Perkins - Congrats!

Anthony October 08, 2001 02:10PM

Re: Dr. Perkins - Congrats!

Blue October 08, 2001 02:15PM

Re: Dr. Perkins - Congrats!

Anthony October 08, 2001 02:33PM

Re: Reprimand for Frank

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 01:59PM

See my post below with your name on it FD

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 01:52PM

Re: Answer

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 06:36AM

Ref. on Artificial Sandstone

Anthony October 05, 2001 01:30PM

Independent Confirmation

Anthony October 05, 2001 03:45PM

Question for Frank...

Anthony October 05, 2001 03:48PM

Re: Question for Frank...

al-Urman October 05, 2001 03:49PM

Re: Question for Frank...

Frank Doernenburg October 05, 2001 05:15PM

Excellent points by Frank...Q for Sandy

Anthony October 05, 2001 05:22PM

Here's the reference (I thought I had seen it)

Anthony October 05, 2001 05:26PM

Re: Here's the reference (I thought I had seen it)

Greg Reeder October 05, 2001 08:32PM

Fayence - a summary

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 04:04AM

Excellent job, Frank... final judgment

Anthony October 06, 2001 05:36AM

Re: Excellent job, Frank... final judgment

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 05:50AM

Faience, without clay

Anthony October 06, 2001 05:58AM

Re: Faience, without clay

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 06:43AM

SANDY &amp; FRANK...HELLO!

Anthony October 06, 2001 07:00AM

Re: SANDY &amp; FRANK...HELLO!

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 07:13AM

Re: SANDY &amp; FRANK...HELLO!

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 07:23AM

Frank ...?

Anthony October 06, 2001 07:34AM

Re: Frank ...?

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 07:44AM

Sandy...OVER HERE!

Anthony October 06, 2001 08:04AM

Anthony Look Here

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 11:18AM

Sandy... I'm looking

Anthony October 06, 2001 12:13PM

Be Selective

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 04:22AM

Re: Amorphous silica

al-Urman October 07, 2001 04:45AM

Amorphous silica in Geopolymer

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 05:39AM

Amorphous Silica...LONG post

Anthony October 07, 2001 07:54AM

Re: Amorphous Silica...LONG post

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 03:19PM

Re: Excellent job, Frank... final judgment

al-Urman October 06, 2001 09:19AM

Hot stuff

Anthony October 06, 2001 10:30AM

Foundation of knowledge

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 07:15AM

Get the Real Point

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 07:04AM

SANDY!!!!!!!!! A new rule

Anthony October 06, 2001 07:17AM

Take this to heart

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 11:34AM

Re: Take this to heart

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 01:13PM

Heartless comments...lol

Anthony October 06, 2001 01:45PM

Re: Heartless comments...lol

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 01:55PM

Sorry to annoy you...

Anthony October 06, 2001 02:08PM

Settng the Record Straight

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 05:09AM

Settng the Record Straight

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 05:21AM

Settng the Record Straight

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 05:22AM

Need I Say More?

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 04:38AM

Re: Need I Say More?

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 05:46AM

BRAVO FRANK!

Anthony October 07, 2001 08:16AM

To All Re: Frank's Olive Branch

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 01:10PM

Helluva post, Sandy J

Anthony October 07, 2001 01:25PM

Re: Paradigm shift

al-Urman October 07, 2001 01:49PM

Re: To All Re: Frank's Olive Branch

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 02:11PM

Refuting the theory

Anthony October 07, 2001 02:44PM

Re: Refuting the theory

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 03:20PM

To All

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 06:06PM

Nice points

Anthony October 07, 2001 07:13PM

Re: To All

Frank Doernenburg October 08, 2001 03:57AM

Re: Independent Confirmation

Greg Reeder October 05, 2001 05:14PM

Re: Independent Confirmation

Frank Doernenburg October 05, 2001 05:18PM

Yes Anthony

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 06:07AM

Explanation

Sandy J. Perkins October 05, 2001 11:40PM

Absolutely Correct

Anthony October 06, 2001 05:47AM

Re: Absolutely Correct

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 07:36AM

Pay Attention

Sandy J. Perkins October 07, 2001 05:48AM

Re: Pay Attention

Frank Doernenburg October 07, 2001 06:00AM

Re: Ref. on Artificial Sandstone

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 07:16AM

Re: Ref. on Artificial Sandstone

Anthony October 06, 2001 07:19AM

Re: Ref. on Artificial Sandstone

Frank Doernenburg October 06, 2001 07:25AM

Re: Question 1... timeframe

R. Avry Wilson October 04, 2001 04:11PM

Re: Question 1... timeframe

Anthony October 04, 2001 04:24PM

Re: Question 1... timeframe

Sandy J. Perkins October 05, 2001 11:17AM

Re: Question 1... timeframe

Anthony October 05, 2001 01:13PM

Re: Question 1... timeframe

Chris Dunn October 05, 2001 08:38PM

Re: Question 1... timeframe

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 12:04AM

Re: Question 1... timeframe

Chris Dunn October 07, 2001 07:16PM

Valid point

Anthony October 07, 2001 07:35PM

Re: May I?

al-Urman October 07, 2001 11:03PM

Re: May I?

Anthony October 08, 2001 05:49AM

Your horse

Chris Dunn October 05, 2001 08:59PM

Re: Your horse

Anthony October 05, 2001 09:30PM

Re: Your horse

Chris Dunn October 05, 2001 10:00PM

Re: Your horse

al-Urman October 06, 2001 01:14AM

Paul &amp; Chris

Anthony October 06, 2001 05:44AM

Hi Tech Advocates

Anthony October 06, 2001 05:51AM

Big Problem

Sandy J. Perkins October 06, 2001 07:25AM

Update

Anthony October 05, 2001 10:18AM

Sandy...Q1 : timeframe

R. Avry Wilson October 06, 2001 04:34PM

Avry

Anthony October 06, 2001 04:42PM

Re: Avry

R. Avry Wilson October 06, 2001 05:05PM



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