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May 4, 2024, 3:15 pm UTC    
November 29, 2004 12:50AM
Roxana Cooper Wrote:
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> L'anse isn't wooded *Now* but things might have
> been different a thousand years ago. Has anybody
> done pollen testing? Not that I have any
> objections to 'vinland' being elsewhere - but for
> now L'Anse is all we've got and Kenuchelover can
> quite legitimately argue it's all there is.


I wouldn't mind seeing pollen data myself, since as you note, it's possible that it WAS wooded in Norse times (wood carpentry debris, preserved in the peat bog, was the most common type of artifact found during excavations).

But offhand, I suspect it's MORE likely that the site was picked for the high visibility (can see anybody approaching, especially additional Norse arrivals).... and for it's pasturage (Karlsefni brought livestock, & the Meadows are one of the few decent pastures anywhere nearby.... note the spindle whorl found at the site, which suggests the presence of women & sheep)..... with wood imported from just a few miles away (roughcut timber hauled overland, or towed by ship).

After all, if you’re logging, the “treeline” keeps moving AWAY from you, and it makes more sense to construct your permanent camp in the BEST overall site that is close enough to trees to allow easy transport of rough cut wood, rather than to build in a nearer-to-tree site that might NOT be the best spot to winter in. You can always build a lean to at the actual logging site for temporary use.

See these links:

[www.mnsu.edu]
[www.gov.nf.ca]
[www.gov.nf.ca]

L'anse aux Meadows lies in a largely treeless ecoregion termed "Strait of La Belle Isle Barrens".... but just two miles inland is the heavily forested "Northern Peninsula subregion" (also reachable by a few miles sail in either direction around Newfoundland). Transporting timber would only have involved either TOWING it a few miles, or sledging it ~ 2 miles in a generally downhill direction. They could also have cut & finished it away from the Meadows, leaving it piled along the coastline for later pickup (EVERY recorded voyage to "Vinland" ended with taking back a shipload of timber), and only immediately transporting what was needed for ship repair.

Kenuchelover.
Subject Author Posted

Vinland map

donald raab November 26, 2004 06:03PM

Re: Vinland map

Roxana Cooper November 26, 2004 06:13PM

Re: Vinland map

kenuchelover November 26, 2004 10:40PM

Re: Vinland map

donald raab November 27, 2004 09:17AM

Re: Vinland map

Roxana Cooper November 27, 2004 10:29AM

Re: Vinland map

Vinland November 27, 2004 10:35AM

Re: Vinland map

marduk November 27, 2004 10:43AM

Re: Vinland map

Roxana Cooper November 27, 2004 10:44AM

Re: Vinland map

Vinland November 27, 2004 10:56AM

Re: Vinland map

AWSX November 27, 2004 11:58AM

Re: Vinland map

donald raab November 27, 2004 02:10PM

Re: Vinland map

darkuser November 27, 2004 02:22PM

Re: Vinland map

Vinland November 27, 2004 02:25PM

Re: Vinland map

donald raab November 27, 2004 08:08PM

Re: Vinland map

Roxana Cooper November 27, 2004 08:32PM

Re: Vinland map

DougWeller November 28, 2004 01:54AM

Re: Vinland map

Vinland November 28, 2004 03:44AM

Re: Vinland map

DougWeller November 28, 2004 09:30AM

Re: Vinland map

DougWeller November 28, 2004 01:56AM

Re: Vinland map

Vinland November 27, 2004 02:17PM

Re: Vinland map

donald raab November 27, 2004 02:19PM

Re: Vinland map

AWSX November 27, 2004 03:01PM

Re: Vinland map

AWSX November 27, 2004 02:57PM

Re: Vinland map

Vinland November 27, 2004 04:22PM

Re: Vinland map

kenuchelover November 28, 2004 03:00PM

Re: Vinland map

kenuchelover November 28, 2004 02:59PM

Re: Vinland map

donald raab November 28, 2004 06:13PM

Re: Vinland map

DougWeller November 29, 2004 01:12AM

Re: Vinland map

kenuchelover November 29, 2004 01:26AM

Re: Vinland map

Roxana Cooper November 29, 2004 10:30AM

Re: Vinland map

John Wall November 29, 2004 10:32AM

Re: Vinland map

donald raab November 29, 2004 11:14AM

Re: Vinland map

cicely November 29, 2004 11:18AM

Re: Vinland map

John Wall November 29, 2004 11:22AM

Re: Vinland map

Jeff van Hout November 29, 2004 11:58AM

Re: Vinland map

John Wall November 29, 2004 12:02PM

Re: Vinland map

Jeff van Hout November 29, 2004 12:08PM

Re: Vinland map

John Wall November 29, 2004 01:27PM

Re: Vinland map

DougWeller November 29, 2004 12:33PM

Re: Vinland map

AWSX November 29, 2004 01:43PM

Re: Vinland map

kenuchelover November 29, 2004 02:30PM

Re: Vinland map

DougWeller November 29, 2004 02:41PM

Re:Yikes!

AWSX November 29, 2004 06:44PM

Re: Re:Yikes!

donald raab November 29, 2004 07:16PM

Re: Re:Yikes!

DougWeller November 29, 2004 11:26PM

Re: Re:Yikes!

donald raab November 30, 2004 12:02AM

Re: Re:Yikes!

DougWeller November 30, 2004 01:37AM

Re: Vinland map

sdelaney November 30, 2004 02:17PM

Re: Vinland map

Vinland November 29, 2004 12:34PM

Re: Vinland map

donald raab November 29, 2004 02:25PM

Re: Vinland map

Roxana Cooper November 29, 2004 09:22PM

Re: Vinland map

donald raab November 29, 2004 10:20PM

Re: Vinland map

DougWeller November 29, 2004 12:37PM

Cites..... or retraction?

kenuchelover November 29, 2004 01:57PM

Re: Cites..... or retraction?

donald raab November 29, 2004 02:27PM

Re: Vinland map

Roxana Cooper November 29, 2004 09:14PM

Re: Vinland map

donald raab November 29, 2004 11:11AM

Re: Vinland map

Roxana November 29, 2004 12:31PM

Re: Vinland map

DougWeller November 29, 2004 12:35PM

Yaaawn....

kenuchelover November 29, 2004 02:02PM

Re: Vinland map

kenuchelover November 29, 2004 02:18PM

Re: Vinland map

donald raab November 29, 2004 02:40PM

Re: Vinland map

DougWeller November 29, 2004 03:05PM

Re: Vinland map

donald raab November 29, 2004 03:21PM

Re: Vinland map

DougWeller November 29, 2004 04:19PM

Re: Vinland map

Vinland November 29, 2004 04:25PM

Re: Vinland map

sdelaney November 30, 2004 03:13PM

Re: Vinland map

donald raab November 29, 2004 04:28PM

Re: Vinland map

DougWeller November 29, 2004 04:29PM

Re: Vinland map

donald raab November 29, 2004 04:33PM

Re: Vinland map

sdelaney November 30, 2004 02:37PM

Re: Vinland map

kenuchelover November 30, 2004 03:15PM

Re: Vinland map

Roxana Cooper November 27, 2004 10:22AM

Re: Vinland map

donald raab November 27, 2004 01:50PM

Re: Vinland map

Roxana Cooper November 27, 2004 04:41PM

Re: Vinland map

DougWeller November 28, 2004 02:01AM

Re: Vinland map

Roxana Cooper November 28, 2004 10:41AM

Re: Vinland map

donald raab November 28, 2004 03:00PM

Re: Vinland map

Roxana Cooper November 28, 2004 04:09PM

Re: Vinland map

DougWeller November 28, 2004 04:24PM

Re: Vinland map

donald raab November 28, 2004 06:17PM

Re: Vinland map

DougWeller November 29, 2004 01:06AM

Re: Vinland map

Pacal November 29, 2004 03:16PM

Re: Vinland map

donald raab November 29, 2004 04:30PM

Re: Vinland map

DougWeller November 29, 2004 05:00PM

3rd viewpoint.....

kenuchelover November 28, 2004 03:25PM

Re: Vinland map

kenuchelover November 28, 2004 03:07PM

Re: Vinland map

donald raab November 28, 2004 06:22PM

Re: Vinland map

kenuchelover November 29, 2004 01:47AM

Re: Vinland map

Vinland November 26, 2004 06:24PM

Re: Vinland map

donald raab November 26, 2004 09:24PM

Re: Vinland map

kenuchelover November 26, 2004 10:35PM

Re: Vinland map

DougWeller November 27, 2004 02:23AM

Re: Vinland map

Hans November 27, 2004 03:31AM

Re: Vinland map

donald raab November 27, 2004 09:29AM

Re: Rus & L'Anse aux Meadows

Vinland November 27, 2004 10:31AM

Re: Rus (here's a link)

Vinland November 27, 2004 10:38AM

Royaume de Saguenay (Algonquin legend)

Vinland November 27, 2004 10:50AM

Re: Royaume de Saguenay (Algonquin legend)

donald raab November 27, 2004 01:58PM

Re: Royaume de Saguenay (Algonquin legend)

Roxana Cooper November 27, 2004 04:46PM

Re: Royaume de Saguenay (Algonquin legend)

DougWeller November 27, 2004 04:55PM

Re: Rus & L'Anse aux Meadows

donald raab November 27, 2004 01:52PM

Re: Rus & L'Anse aux Meadows

Vinland November 27, 2004 02:30PM

Re: Vinland map

Roxana Cooper November 27, 2004 10:42AM

Re: Vinland map

donald raab November 27, 2004 02:00PM

Re: Vinland map

kenuchelover November 28, 2004 03:55PM

Re: Vinland map

Roxana Cooper November 28, 2004 04:16PM

Re: Vinland map

darkuser November 27, 2004 02:02PM

Re: Vinland map

donald raab November 27, 2004 02:05PM

Re: Vinland map

kenuchelover November 28, 2004 03:59PM

uhhh Donald?

Katherine Reece November 28, 2004 06:21PM

Re: uhhh Donald?

donald raab November 28, 2004 06:35PM

Re: uhhh Donald?

Katherine Reece November 28, 2004 06:38PM

Re: uhhh Donald?

donald raab November 28, 2004 07:14PM

Re: uhhh Donald?

Roxana Cooper November 28, 2004 08:31PM

Re: uhhh Donald?

kenuchelover November 29, 2004 12:50AM

Wood.

kenuchelover November 29, 2004 01:24AM

Re: uhhh Donald?

Pete Clarke November 29, 2004 05:35AM

Re: Vinland map

donald raab November 29, 2004 07:38PM



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