November 27, 2004 04:55PM
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donald raab Wrote:
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> Oh well I'm hooked. Another legend of
> possibilities. Blonde men with gold and furs.
> One would assume they got the gold from where they
> were. More likely it was booty from other
> travels. the furs are in abundance. Sounds like
> a viking site to me. it is surpriseing there is
> no more about it. Of course we don't listen to
> the natives. We have to de-construct it firt to
> tell them what reality really is.
>
Or perhaps we could find out if the story is true first before speculating like this.
This site: [
www.collectionscanada.ca]
says Cartier, sent by the King of France to find gold kdnapped two sons of a chief and took them to France. "In France, the young men were taken to a little seaport called St. Malo. It was September 1534. They spent the winter in a boarding house. When they realized that the Europeans were seeking gold, the brothers began to tell stories about the Kingdom of Saguenay where gold lay about like pebbles on a beach. They promised to show Cartier the place if he would take them homeā¦
Their clever idea worked. In the spring, the young men boarded Cartier's ship for a return trip. They were back with their father by September 9, 1535. "
If this is correct, which is more likely? That they were really recounting a legend which relates to the Norse and there was a beach with gold lying around on it, or that they were simply tricking the French to get back to Canada?
The trouble is, I don't know how accurate that story is, and I'm not going to start making statements on the basis of having found that web page.
Looking further, it looks as though some Indians claimed to have visited this alleged Kingdom (i.e. we aren't talking about myth here). Someone who reads French could look at this: [
www.collectionscanada.ca]
ALso
[
www.biographi.ca]
[
www.gutenberg.org]
And anyone seriously interested in the Vinland Map has to read Kirsten Seaver's new book on it.
Doug
Doug Weller
Director The Hall of Ma'at
Doug's Skeptical Archaeology site::
[
www.ramtops.co.uk]
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