November 27, 2004 10:31AM
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They not only met the muslims, they traded with 'em. Although the Norse that traded mostly with the arabs where Swedish. The most known kaupangs (trade towns) is Birka outside Stockholm and Holmgard (today's Novgorod), and of course the Norwegian Kaupang, outside Tønsberg, in southern Norway.
There were also trade happening through the White Sea in the north, where Norwegian Norse took their longships down (up) the rivers that runs north into the White Sea/Barent Sea. An example of this trade can be found at Borg in Lofoten, Norway, where archealogists some years ago found Kauri shells from the Maldives. These Kauri shells most possibly have been traded through the arabs which the Norse traders met in the area of the Caspian Sea.
As to the name Rus; a tribe called Rus originally came from Scandinavia, along with the Varangians. I'm not sure, but I think that today's Russians refers to today's Swedish as Rus (or something close), but I can't find anything - at the moment - supporting this.
As for the L'Anse aux Meadows being a ship repair facility, Helge Ingstad thought - among other things - it to be a settlement where you could stay over the winter before returning back north. Although I can't see why that should be necessary since Greenland and Iceland wasn't that far away in sailing distance ... From Greenland you would use almost the same amount of sailing time to reach Iceland as you would use to reach the "warmer" reaches of the North American coastal regions ...
One story about Thorfinn Karlsefni tells about him being shipwrecked and that he and his shipmates have to stay over the winter on an island, while they repair the keel of his longship. This is someplace along the North American coast. Which islands along the North American coast can harbour a climate that is suitable for such a venture, supporting the crew of the stranded longship with food, shelter and a new keel for the longship? Will we be able to find this island today, or have we already found in the settlement of L'Anse auc Meadows? In that case, where is the fabled Vinland ... The story of Karlsefni says that this place is not Vinland ... A bit of a speculation from me ;-)
:-) Paul
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