November 27, 2004 04:41PM
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"Then there is the point of view (mine) that says he DID sail with the Norse."
Got any supporting evidence for that?
"He was a smart man. He gathered bits and pieces that suggested there was land open to exploitation for his benefactors."
I give Columbus credit for not sailing blindly off into the blue. There is every reason to believe he'd done some research and had evidence for lands west of the Atlantic - which he logically but erroneously believed to be Asia.
"If he thought he was in Asia (India or China) why would he claim the lands for Spain."
It would have been fairly obvious to him he was not in either Empire, nor would this have surprised him - Asia was known to be a fairly large place and China and India didn't own it all. Besides the Portugese didn't show much compunction about trying to claim Japan.
"At that period of time Asia was looked upon as the light of the world."
Where on earth do you get that idea from? 15th c. Europeans were thoroughly ethnocentric and had no doubts at all about their superiority over other cultures. Chinese and Indians were non-Christians, that alone made them inferior and ripe for exploitation - if one could manage it.
"Not a very good idea sailing where supposedly no one else had and walk in and say it is mine."
Maybe not - but it was standard operating procedure throughout the era of exploration.
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