No, it's not "the same thing from a different angle". Not even close.
While I appreciate that any given text can be interpreted in somewhat different ways, any interpretation that one chooses to put forward needs to be based on detailed and substantiated reasonings. Assuming a context that one fails to substantiate, and even fails to try to substantiate (other than by circular
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Thanks for your answer to my query. Despite the fact that Utt. 574 seems to have been a bit garbled by an AE copyist or two, it is still possible to get a reasonably clear sense of what was intended. Unfortunately, your interpretation seems to fall no where near this, but no matter. I'll address mostly line 1487.
Mercer, who I believe you are quoting from, has it almost about right here
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cladking Wrote:
> My favorite being that "atum's" shadow is above him,
Could you tell me where in the PT's you find this. Thanks.
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Lee Olsen Wrote:
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> You need to get an older computer (like mine...
> 2011 refurbished w/obsolete Win 7 32 bit)
> I just found a number of old posts using the new
> search box, it seems to be working better than
> ever.
>
Thanks for this. I found the "Search"box", but it doesn't seem to allow
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It has probably been discussed on this forum in the past, but Barry fell's "America B.C." goes into some depth on early contacts. I'd reference these previous discussions but the "Search" function seems to have gone bye-bye (as have many other useful forum navigation conveniences. I hope and trust that these will return at some point.) Fell provides a great read, by
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> Does his name confer his title as high priest of
> Iunu?
I think that the "hm" (glyph U36) in the name may rather have been intended to mean something like "His majesty, Iwnw", or "The majesty of Iwnw", rather than "servant" or "priest" of Iwnw. This said, I wo
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Lauer discusses many of these same points in his Le Mystere des Pyramides pp. 301-313, especially on pages 306-308.
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I very much agree with Colavito that Morrow's translation, and her over-all treatment, leaves much to be desired. However, I also agree with him when he says, "Morrow may have a point that too literal a translation may miss some of the more subtle aspects of the texts."
Granted that Morrow leans alarmingly far away from center in her interpretations, I would argue that she is
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Hi Rick - Preparing a new translation would be a bit out of my league - no, I'm just a "dedicated student". I do, however, come at these texts from the viewpoint that they are more specifically concerned with features of the night sky than perhaps is more generally acknowledged.
Looking at them with this approach opens the way to what I believe is a clearer understanding of wh
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cladking Wrote:
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> So exactly what sort of empirical evidence do you
> have that Faulkner, Allen, Shmakov et al are
> getting closer and closer to author intent?
That is not the way it works. The authors you mention have each presented their own cases for their interpretations - neither I, nor anyone else, need to justify
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> wouldn't red be that which was cleansed from the
> linen?
No, it would not. I suspect that CK is again relying on Mercer's outdated translation (who in turn was apparently relying on Sethe's misinterpretation). See Faulkner's explanation of this on p. 61, fn. 5, of his AE PT's.
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Still, I must admit to finding CK's reference to "red laundry" a bit of a show-stopper. A reference to supposed communist tendencies of the ancient Egyptians, or is this his translation of the "red linen" of the texts?
In any event, it immediately reminded me of Theodore Bikel's version of "Digging The Weans", where far in the future archaeologists are
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I see within the root 'tp', meaning 'head/beginning'
As can be seen here at the end of line 444b, Tpht is written with glyph V13 and not X1
In most cases, Faulkner translates this word as either "hole" or "cavern", but in Utterances 456, 503 and 604 he uses the word "ape
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Principia Wrote:
> There's one thing I don't have - Sethe.
The six volumes of his Uberstezung und Kommentar are available through Yare Egyptology. He usually runs a 1/3rd off sale in January, which means you can get this in pdf for under $50 US. Well worth it.
Sethe basically translates Tpht as "Loch" or "hole" (as in a snake hole), though in Utt 438 he
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Thus far, Wainwright's article is the most revealing discussion I have yet found. Also of interest has been a thesis I had downloaded some time ago by G. P. Jones - "The Significance of Water in the Pyramid Texts".
It would appear that the earliest text to shed any real light on the issue is Chapter 149 of the BOD - as Wainwright notes. This originates with the Papyrus of Nu, va
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"If ever a Wiz there was"! Thank you, Hermione - great find!
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Hi Avry. Thanks for this. Frequently seen are one or two line statements referring to an AE mythology regarding the source of the Nile as arising from two caverns in the Elephantine area. However, other than Wainwright's article I haven't found any discussions of the textual support for this claim.
While it is true that there are hints of this source of the Nile in the PT's a
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I am wondering if someone has a digital copy of the following article that they would be willing to share, or could point me to a free online source. JSTOR apparently does not list this journal as being available for online viewing.
The article is: "Herodotus II, 28 on the sources of the Nile", by G. A. Wainwright.
Many thanks.
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> I hope you have a copy to look at, because here
> again I am reminded of your accurate description
> of a sanguine moon (lunar eclipse) especially in
> register two, note that gold/yellow paint is used
> throughout each of the four registers. Their are
> many examples of yellow/gold sun-discs throug
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> I'm wondering if it's used as a determinative,
> again I'm out of my comfort in this area so please
> go easy on me...
Are you referring here to the formatting of a Pharoah's Nomen name? If so, then according to where you seem to be going with this I should think the glyph would have been
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I would agree that that lunar events were recognized and perhaps even to some refined extent predicted by quite early times, but I don't see the connection between any of these and the color red. Surely sunrises and sunsets can be redder in hue than any lunar eclipse.
I believe the usual explanation for the red crown is the red earth of the region. I'm not convinced of this, myself,
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Thanks for this, Hermione.
Priskin placed online some time ago a precursor work on this subject which is available here:
Priskin is a smart guy.
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Mark Heaton Wrote:
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> The sun and moon are seen to rise up from the
> earth at the horizon and if the celestial bodies
> can rise from the earth at the horizon then the
> spiritual body may also have been thought to have
> ascended at the horizon, or simply ascended.
The PT's make clear that there were two "h
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Mark Heaton Wrote:
> So I wish I was more sure this was the original
> name rather than an Egyptian legend about the
> secret chambers of Thoth, the moon god, such that
> Horizon became an appropriate name influenced by
> context.
My understanding is that the word Akh meant something along the lines of a soul (or spirit) that has succeeded in becoming "reborn" i
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> Sorry for confusion, Iwnw. But to be clear I'm
> under the impression the "heliopolization" of Iwnw
> took place prior to the 3rd dynasty. I've read
> some material...at the moment I can't recall the
> author...that Iwnw was a rival city to Memphis
> during the 2nd dynasty (th
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> I'm curious to know the earliest date for
> Heliopolis, the material, lack there of, puts it
> late 1st dynasty early 2nd. IMO there had to have
> been a predynastic habitation/temple complex
> there. Any leads on Heliopolis and its origin
> would be greatly welcomed.
>
> I'm worki
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Hi Dave - Many congratulations on your new book. May it be a best seller!
Well done, you. - Lee
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Great sleuth work, Hermione. Thanks for doing this. It IS surprising at how little Egyptian influence has been found (or recognized) in Mesopotamian sites and culture.
One thing that I had left out in my previous post is the book by Joran Friberg - "Unexpected Links Between Egyptian and Babylonian Mathematics". This is a fascinating study, although it isn't necessarily clear wh
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> Has anyone found early Egyptian artifacts in
> Mesopotamia?
A brief check of the sources that I have at hand brings up only two possible leads on this question. All the rest say none have yet been found.
The first, oddly enough, is from Thor Heyerdahl's book "The Tigris Expedition", p. 98ff. He writes of having personally witnessed some Egyptian artifacts found in I
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