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Hermione Wrote:
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> If you can read French, "L’herminette et la
> cuisse, histoire d’un taureau parmi les étoiles"
> (Thuault) might be of interest:
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> (There's an English abstract).
Hi Hermione,
Thank you for posting. Unfortunately, I cannot read French. I have had a little success with Google
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In line with feedback from Kanga and Hermione, I have published an update to the paper to improve the context of dating of the Karnak Clepsydra and Rhind Mathematical Papyrus:
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Hi Kanga, Hermione,
In the paper, I have quoted a date of approximately 1550 BCE which was taken directly from the The British Museum here: . However, I can see that in Richard J. Gillings, Mathematics in the time of the Pharaohs, p 45 gives a date of approximately 1650 BCE and also acknowledges that it contains writing that it is a copy of a document, which Gillings says comes from about 200
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I have published an update to this paper based on feedback received. Still in draft form, but this update includes:
1. Removed the discussion of the Westcar Papyrus story of Djedi;
2. Removed the discussion on the sed festival;
3. Added discussion on classical sources;
4. Expanded discussion on the Pyramidion of Khufu’s Satellite Pyramid.
The update can be accessed here:
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Hi Alex,
One of the possible reasons is discussed in my draft here:
Regards,
Brendan
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Building upon my prior post here: , Conman argues that Meshketiu is not a constellation but rather a “planetary god of time” and the planet represented she argues is Saturn. Conman justifies this identification through a review of the extant texts, citing movements that Meskhetiu makes that a circumpolar constellation cannot make but an outer planet can. Conman does not however propose any alter
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Hermione Wrote:
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> engbren Wrote:
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> > I have been able to find a copy of G.A.
> > Wainwrights paper here:
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> Thanks for this, engbren.
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> IIRC I looked for it on Wayback, but coudn't find
> it ...
Hi Hermione
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I have been able to find a copy of G.A. Wainwrights paper here: so updating the discussion relating to Conman's claims:
1. Wainwright cites a secondary source of Dieterich by leveraging select quotes contained in Nock and in doing so has missed the fact that Dieterich had already accepted Meskhetiu to be the Big Dipper and hence instead of supporting his argument, the citation creates a
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Looking at the Meskhetiu claim, the supporting evidence is sprinkled throughout the book. The first set of claims which challenge the generally accepted view can be broadly viewed as an argument that Wainwright incorrectly ascribed Meskhetiu to the Big Dipper. Conman’s supporting arguments include:
1. Wainwright cites a secondary source of Dieterich by leveraging select quotes contained in Nock
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Hi Hermione,
Performing a search for "Conman Meskhetiu" and allowing across all boards and all timeframes provides results with this thread as well as a few disparate threads. It appears that Joanne posted here on Meskhetiu approximately 17 years ago. Reading through her posts, it appears that they related to a time when she had not yet formed the opinion she presents in Sky Lore tha
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I recently received a copy of Joanne Conmans “Sky Lore” and have done my first read end to end of the book. On this first read, I found it to offer an interesting challenge to the orthodox position on the Egyptian astronomical texts. For me, Conman’s ideas in particular around Meskhetiu have some merit, and are deserving of another read in-depth to tease out any concerns. To that end, I wondered
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Just to be clear - in Step 10 of the OP, Mark raises the following point:
Quote“Mark Heaton”
Step 10
Consider 360 degrees in a circle from 360 days in a year plus 5 extra days to get 365 days.
It is peculiar that the slope of the Red Pyramid is slightly less than 45 degrees (1/8 x circumference of circle) because the configuration of the pyramid appears to be based on a division of the
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Hermione Wrote:
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> > Joanne Conman, It's about Time: Ancient
> Egyptian
> > Cosmology, Studien zur Altägyptischen Kultur ,
> > 2003, Bd. 31 (2003), pp. 33-71, accessed from
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> > Joanne Conman, The Egyptian Origins of
> Planetary
> > Hypsomata, Discussions in Egyptology 64
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Hi Mark,
With respect to Step 10, you may find the following papers by Joanne Conman of interest. The first, published in 2003 proposes to set aside Neugebauer and Parker's proposals for a model of the Egyptian Decan stars and proposes a new model consistent with the descriptions of how the decans operate from the Carlsberg Papyrus. The second paper builds upon this model to demonstrate t
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Mark Heaton Wrote:
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> Am I right in thinking that the brightest object
> in the sky after the sun and moon is Venus?
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> I suppose the ancient Egyptians regarded the stars
> and wandering stars (planets) as very much smaller
> than the sun and moon in the third millennium BC.
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> It seems natural for the kin
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Hi Mark,
Thank you for taking the time to review my paper. I post on this forum and one other in order to discuss my ideas irrespective of whether the feedback is positive or negative. I've considered some of your commentary below.
Regards,
Brendan
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> You have created a theory which has powerful
> ar
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> I found your paper very interesting especially the
> 'four reasons against' and the conclusion.
Hi Hans,
I’m glad you found the paper interesting, including the reasons against. It is actually this section that I am working on at the moment. I don’t think the conclusion will change materially but
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Hi Mark,
I am left more confused by this post. It may be advantageous to wait until you're ready to share a draft of your academic paper. My comments below:
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Further research may reveal other aspects of the internal architecture, but some aspects may require a more detailed survey. The location of the internal elements of the pyramid in relation to the exterior of the pyramid may ha
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Hi Mark,
I was highlighting with an example that presented with the same set of data, different people may arrive at different models or conclusions. As such for your geometric model, we need to understand the context of the geometric model. Why, in your opinion, would your proposed model be the most likely model. Also, what are the models limitations - what would falsify your model? At the mo
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Hi Mark,
You have presented an interesting possibility here, but a geometric design intent is not the only possible conclusion you could reach. For example, taking a counter-position and leveraging the possible Saturn design theme I identified for Khufu’s pyramid, I could make an argument that in fact the numbers bear out a design based on various features of the Saturn design concept. The que
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Mark Heaton Wrote:
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> Thanks for that.
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> On Wiki it mentions a 10 metre difference in the
> level of the bases so say 20 cubits as you point
> out.
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> The apek of Khafre's pyramid would then be 14
> cubits higher than Khufu's pyramid when it was
> built, as you also point out.
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> T
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I am posting here a query regarding Siegel’s paper that I posted on GHMB.
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Assuming Gohary’s restoration of the scenes depicted by the talatat blocks is correct, serpentine walling is at times found on either side of the rectilinear palace wall. These blocks confirm that serpentine walls were used to surround monumental constructions as late as the Amarna period, and their pres
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In Jens Hoyrup's paper “A HISTORIAN’S HISTORY OF ANCIENT EGYPTIAN SCIENCE”, an essay review of Clagett's Ancient Egyptian Science, on page 18 Hoyrup claims:
“The Karnak clock assumes the change of the length of night to be uniform from solstice to solstice – in the idiom used to discuss Babylonian astronomy, it constitutes a zigzag-function (which should not be taken as evidence of a
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Are you thinking of the fifth dynasty Sun Temples?
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I have published an update to my paper here
Key updates in this version include:
1. Expanded discussion of the extant mathematical sources and their importance;
2. Additional details regarding the Sed festival running rite markers
3. Reordered the presentation of the paper to address the mathematical sources first
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The division of material goods amongst men appears to be the topic of RMP40 and RMP64 which also result in arithmetic progressions. It is something that perplexes me given much has been made about other equal divisions ensuring not only that the division is fair but is seen to be fair (Gillings). The unequal distributions outside of RMP 40 and 64 appear to have a practical purpose such as distrib
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In Eric Uphills article on the Egyptian Sed Festival rites, he makes reference to an altar which was missed by Naville on page 367:
"Above the royal couple there is shown a royal falcon representing Horus and a figure of a cow which is referred to as "Isis.""
In making this statement, Uphill is referencing pp59-61 of "Tell Basta" published by Labib Habachi in 1
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One of the main problems with the pi and phi based theories for the Great Pyramid is the lack of ability to show knowledge of pi or phi in any of the extant mathematical sources from Egypt. I was concerned a similar objection could be mounted against my theory, and have updated my paper to provide examples from the Rhind Mathematical Papyrus and the Lahun Papyrus which deal with arithmetic progre
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The dates would fit in relatively well with Alexander Puchkov’s paper. However, there would be a need to look into the “old wood” problem - ie how do you distinguish between wood that was cut down and perhaps recycled for a long period of time before being used for the pyramid.
Would be interested to hear Alex’s (keeperz) thoughts on this.
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Hi Mark,
I'm not sure I follow your logic, but wondered if you'd reviewed Rossi's "Architecture and Mathematics in Ancient Egypt" which has a wealth of information in it. A digital copy on archive.org is available here:
Regards
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