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QuoteYou can't have 57.6 degrees as a Radian - they didn't use a degree system.
You really are getting desperate Dave.
360 part division of the circle goes with the year, decans and the degree.
QuoteThe 533mm/21" rods are not Royal cubits, they are Levantine measures from the Iron Age. Very good. Mesopatamian rods. They go with the sumerian system of 20" inches cubits.
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Actually there is an intersting mathematical basis to the 65cm rod as opposed to the 7 unit 70cm 4/3 royal cubit...
QuoteElke Roik has claimed that the nbj was a linear measure equal to 65 cm, which was divided dyadically into eight units
with the setjat area = to 1/800th square mille passus
with the english acre = 1/640th mile and originating from the mille passus.
square root (57600^2 /
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QuoteIts a one of anomoly afaic - and drawing any conclusions at all from it seems unlikely.
QuoteNaguib Victor, on the other hand, maintains that the nbj had a length of 70 cm which was divided into seven parts; and he has traced the use of this measurement in a number of rock-cut tombs from as early as the Old Kingdom.
QuotePetrie, Section 92, cites a very fine stone standard, 26.9 X 12.75
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QuoteThe legend of Osiris begins with Thoth, who was credited with having introduced all the arts and sciences, including astronomy and hieroglyphs, to the Ancient Egyptians. He was also the spokesman, or messenger, of the gods and the keeper of their records. "Thoth" is actually the Graeco-Roman form of the Egyptian name "Djehuti". Thoth was usually represented as an ibis bir
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So that rough double rmn is composed of 3.5 parts per remen ?
20 / 3.5 = 5.7142 fingers.
Do you not know a remen is 5 palms and a double remen would have 10 divisions ?
a double rmn is 40 fingers = 30 roman uncia (1/12th part pes) = 29.17" or 741mm (not 27.5" or 698.6mm)
Now children lets see what could be cut into 3.5 parts....
Small cubit = 6 palms
Shoulder (Egyptian rmn) =
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4 palms of 4 fingers did amount to 16 fingers the last time I checked unless my calculators is bust. And inches were in use or you would not have measuring rods of 4/3rd longer then usual cut into 7 hands of 4 inch instead of 7 palms of 4 fingers. Unless of course you think they had a unit of 5.333' fingers for some obscure reason.
QuoteMore recently one has come to realize that a number
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The Attic Greek earth was cut into 60th (Strabo), 60th of 60th (Herodotus Schoene), 60th of 60th of 60th (Herodotus Stade).
The Stade was 600 feet or 2 minutes march and 10,000 fingers as per its numerical value.
with 12 inch to the foot the earth became
60x60x60x60x60x2 inches
60x60x60x60x2 seconds
60x60x60x2 minutes
60x60x2 hours
300 days travel with 1 second as 60 inches.
60 inches is
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I look forward to this one. I think they done similar scanning at stonehnege when they found the weather worn carvings, too dim to perceive in natural light.
Mick
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Degrees came with the 360 and 365 day year and the birth of the gods and the base 60 system used in sumeria.
Behdet to Syene is 24d 6'North to 31d 30' North.
QuoteAlso recovered from the temple of Amun, were three ritual stone cubit rods, they each carried the identical inscription, which stated that the overall length of Egypt, from Bhedet in the north to Syene in the south was 1
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QuoteThe casing stones were laid on an inclined bed which affects the overal angle of the slope.
Quote81. For the angle of the Pyramid, the data are rather divergent and not only do different methods vary in result, but the measures of similar stones vary far beyond the errors of measuring the angle or judging of the surfaces.
By 7 measures on finished granite, in situ. 50º 57
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IMO.
Both cubits existed. The distance from Behdet to syene of 106 It'r. The length of egypt being 100 It'r of 15,000 royal cubit of 28 fingers[7 degrees]
with egypt cut into 6 + 1 degrees for upper and lower egypt.
The 6 and 7 palm cubits therefore relate directly to unification.
This 6 palm cubit however uses longer fingers and bigger palms in the ratio of 24:25.
This 6 palm cu
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In principle I like the idea. But there is major problems with it.
9068.8 +-0.65
5776 +-7.0
(9068.8 / 2 / 5776) * 28 = 21.9812
8474.9 +-1.5
5664 +-13.0
(8474.9 / 2 / 5664) * 28 = 20.9478
4153.6 +-3.0
2564 +-15
2580.8 +-2.0
(4153.6 / 2 / 2564) * 28 = 22.6796
(4153.6 / 2 / 2581) * 28 = 22.5302
If the Seked was the main principle of pyramid construction and its us
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Clarification on the remen and royal cubit.
The way I see it there are 3 measures of length
20 finger remen
28 finger royal cubit
20 x sqrt 2 finger 'remen' royal cubit
This remen royal cubit was in itself cut in to 28 longer fingers. Hence..
0.739 +-0.004 and 0.728 +-0.001
20.62 / 28 = 0.7364
20.62 / 20 / sqrt 2 = 0.7290
Although you would have 2 royal cubits of 28 f
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By fingers I mean the apex height of the passage offset for
Khafre = 896 fingers = 32 x 28 fingers
Khufu = 500 fingers = 20 x 25 fingers
Menkaure = 0 fingers as the passage is centered.
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They used the 20 finger remen.
They used the 28 finger cubit.
They used the diagonal of a remen for doubling area.
Hence the length of the diagonal of a remen square is 28.28427 fingers.
The result is two possible cubit lengths. A 28 finger cubit and a cubit a little longer.
The ratio between those two cubits is
28 / (20 x square root 2) = 0.98995
This is exactly the same as the ratio
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You dont need to worry about Pi just divide the total height by the height - the 1st course.
0.9899.
Just pick your favourite surveyors height for the pyramid
Mick
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Yeah ! but it would be the same without the butty.
Someone 1000's of years ago must have had a vision and prepared in advance for that big day when the first drops of butter slithered down the chin after that warm mouthful of bread and potatoe.
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Hi all,
I was doing some thinking about anthonys' comments which is probably a dengerous thing
NB the following assumptions will not make much of a difference to the overall scheme and generally accepted data of the great pyramid. They are for the purpose of illustration.
Assumption 1.
4 : pi gradient
Assumption 2.
9069 inch side length.
Assumption 3
10,000 / sqrt 3 height.
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I though we knew its origin when it was first bought back to britain anyway ???
c/o sir walter raleigh
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you try to viualise the moment but it just aint gonna happen.
Mobile cameras are a boon now days.
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Hi Chris,
Thanks for the info.
Do we know for certain which end of the adze was held and which end opened the mouth ?
mick
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Quotethat it came from the same influence as the white and red crowns.
division of the two lands you mean ?
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Hi Chris,
Sorry to butt in on this thread but I have a quicky.
You say the 3 stras of orions belt and the 7 star pattern of ursa major appear on coffins.
1. Can you tell me the difference between the star pattern of
Ursa major and ursa minor as shown here ?
2. Was this related to the tool of iron made by Ptah for opening the mouth ?
thanks,
Mick
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covers the face angle by survey( 51º 0' ± 10') .
covers the face angle by 16 granite course and 48 limestone course demarcation as 1/4th height (51º 10' 30" ± 1' 20"; ).
covers Diodorus Siculus comments on the 3rd pyramid granite and limestone partition and Petries view of it.
The mnemonics I use is...
One is a gradient of 2:phi or 51º 1' 36&qu
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The top 5 links on the right will take you to drawings of Petries triangulation done on CAD for the casing of the three pyramids with the dimensions expained.
1. is Petries triangulation use grid unit north and units.(grid-petrie unit)
2. as 1 but scaled down as a whole into british inches.(grid-brit. inch)
3. as 2 but using primitive inches.(grid-prim. inch)
4. as 2 but rotated to aline the
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But the Core and sockets are surveyed with no argument from Cole. They can be used to establish that Petries original theory/assumption was basically correct.....
and like I said before. Coles side length + distance to socket edge does not equal the socket side length. The casing length can be argued against as its assumption. The socket side lengths are observed and surveyed (by at least Pe
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Why would you be talking of squares unless you was referring got area ?
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QuoteLauer is surprised by the circumstance that the total Complex is build on a rectangle of 1040 x 530 cubits
Near squares ???
This has a close cross angle of 62 degrees 59' 45.27". What if this is supposed to be EXACTLY 63 degrees ???
Tan 27 = 0.509525
Tan 27 - 0.5 = 0.095254
1 / tan 27 - 0.5 = 104.98
105 x Tan 27 = 53.500172
210 ??
3 x 21 = 63 ??
28 fingers = 21
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QuoteThe setat appears in problems 48 and 50 of the RMP, dealing with circular areas of land.
I would laugh my head off if I wasn't so busy crying. Interesting observation.
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Setjat = 100x100 royal cubit
Plethra = 100x100 feet
"A set of fractions obtained by halving , like the fractions of the corn measure, was used in connection with the st't, the Greek 'aurora'. This was a measure of 1 square Khet or 100 cubits squared...."
Gardner - Egyptian Grammar P.200
[1 See PSBA 14,410; SETHE, Zahle worte 74; MOLLER, Hieratische Palao-graphie,
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