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> Um, the entire *complex* was a Wonder, not just
> the GP.
That's correct. AFAIK, the ancient lists of the seven wonders talk about the Pyramids of Egypt, not the Great Pyramid specifically. Herodotus does give G1 a little more discussion than G2 and G3, but largely because of the deliciously scandalous
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Khazar-khum Wrote:
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> Why are all the other pyramids ignored in favor of
> Khufu's?
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I think it's largely for historical reasons. The Father of Pyramidiocy, John Taylor, decided G1 was special - indeed, built by Moses - and he generated what are now old pyramidiotic standards, incuding G1's enc
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Also The World Without Us by Alan Weisman, pub.2007. Brilliant and scary.
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Jim Stiinehart Wrote:
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> Rebby:
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> You wrote: "...marries wife of predecessor...."
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> That has nothing to do with either the Amarna Age
> or the Patriarchal narratives.
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> By contrast, every story in the Patriarchal
> narratives reflects the ambience of Years 12-14...
> ...yadda yadda
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Khazar-khum Wrote:
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> > > Actually, I don’t think your First Hebrew
> was
> > writing about Amarna at all. I think he was
> > having a prophetic vision of the Tudor
> period:
> > younger son inherits the throne, marries wife
> of
> > predecessor, has much trouble producing male
> heir,
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Jim Stiinehart Wrote:
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> > Though you write “God is testing Abraham by
> demanding the sacrifice of his beloved son”, you
> cite nothing in the Biblical text to support the
> view that Isaac was “beloved” by Abraham...
Here you go. “And said, Take now thy son, thine only son, whom thou lovest, even Isaac, and get thee
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I have rarely seen such a farrago of special pleading, circular reasoning, and overinterpretation. And you answer with such a flood of claims, many of them redundant, that it is hard to know where to start. So, just a few salient points.
"… Abraham’s favorite son was Ishmael. We know that, because Abraham pleads Ishmael’s case to YHWH, something that Abraham so obviously does not do for
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Jim Stiinehart Wrote:
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> Abraham planned to sacrifice (literally) his
> younger, non-favorite son Isaac, but at the last
> moment, through divine insight, he instead
> sacrificed (literally) a ram. Amenhotep III
> planned to sacrifice (figuratively) his younger,
> non-favorite son Akhenaten...
(snip)
1. From that quote, it sounds like Amenhotep III is Abraha
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My husband's not a Mason, but he comes from a long line of them. When his grandfather Hubert was killed in World War I, leaving a widow and baby in straitened circumstances, it was Hubert's masonic brothers who paid for my father-in-law's public-school education and later helped with his commission in a good regiment. We have some cool masonic jewels that were Hubert's, as w
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(Latecomer to this thread, and don't know quite where to make this comment, as the debate about the imperial records has flown thick and fast. So I'll just leap in here.)
In case it hasn't been pointed out yet, bear in mind that the imperial archives in Rome - and much else - were destroyed in the great fire of AD 192, as recorded separately by Galen and Dio Cassius. So it is u
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Byrd Wrote:
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> Yes, but the question is "how reliable is the
> report"? Given that Klenck is a Creationist, it
> is quite possible that he may not be as unbiased
> about the findings as one would hope. For
> instance, the building may not be from the period
> he states. And his ideas about floods don'
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Jammer Wrote:
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> Also, remember Nero was his grandfather, I think
> tyhe mainstream still believes certain madness
> does run in families...
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> Jammer
Nero was Caligula's nephew; and he's another reputed monster who may not have been as monstrous as Tacitus and Suetonius described him, according to some his
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cladking Wrote:
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> Yes. I'm well aware that heiroglyphs were still
> in use what seems to be lacking from an
> evidentiary standpoint is that they could read the
> ancient script after about 1500 BC. Look how much
> English has changed in a mere 500 years. Writing
> was nearly 3000 years old at the time of Man
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cladking Wrote:
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> ...and your evidence for this...
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Manetho lived around 300 BC, near the beginning of the Ptolemaic era - the last known hieroglyphic inscription was produced a little before 400 AD. Al-Masudi dates, IIRC, to the tenth century AD.
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Roxana Cooper Wrote:
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> Well since Ma'sudi was even farther removed from
> the pyramid age than Manetho and given the change
> in civilizations even less likely to be in touch
> with a valid oral tradition I'd say it does make a
> rather considerable difference.
Added to which, the original texts could be rea
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Hermione Wrote:
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> (Except Private Eye has it as the GRAUNIAD, Rebby!
> ) But, yes, the Grauniad is notorious for such
> slips.
A typo! How appropriate!
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Hermione Wrote:
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> What worries me is that leading members of the
> Mexican Government appear to be involved in this
> nonsense.
>
> Hermione
> Director/Owner/Moderator - The Hall of Ma'at
Except the article mixes up the presidents of Mexico and Guatemala. I'm a little surprised at the Guardian, aka the
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Help Wanted. Diodorus Siculus’ account of Egyptian embalming mentions a functionary called the paraschistes - the Ripper - whose job is to make the initial cut into the cadaver, and then run away very fast while the others throw things and curses at him. Are there any indications of this from actual Egyptian sources, particularly the execration thing? (It’s for a story I’m working on.)
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Roxana Cooper Wrote:
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> I think I'm slightly offended by the inclusion of
> Moses in that list of false messiahs. For one
> thing he never claimed to BE a messiah just a
> prophet - and a reluctant one at that. Nor was
> Judaism a personality cult, it went on after
> Moses' death. Mormons would probably be u
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Roxana Cooper Wrote:
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> Akhenaten presented Akhetaten as a utopian City of
> the Sun but the numbers of armed guards visible in
> wall reliefs as well as the malnurished overworked
> remains of its poor suggest otherwise. Akhenaten's
> aten religion does not appear to have had a
> miraculous healing or charitable
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Paul H. Wrote:
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> Unfortunately, I cannot find the paper in which
> after the Cretaceous-Paleogene
> (formerly Cretaceous-Tertiary) extinction event
> became widely accepted,
> Walter Alvarez and other early proponents of it
> were interview. Alvarez and
> some other earlier supporters of the theory that
> a
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cladking Wrote:
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> But now you've proven the concept that they could
> have built a spiral ramp but not the concept they
> could have built a pyramid with a spiral ramp.
> Now you need to look at the other evidence and
> facts and one of these facts is the p[yramids were
> built in steps or teirs which is
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Sirfiroth Wrote:
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> What I would truly be interested in is a C-14
> dating of the red ocher paint from Khufu's
> cartouche in the relieving chamber, but I am sure
> that will never happen.
I'm sure, too. Red ochre is inorganic.
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Sirfiroth Wrote:
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> I do not think Dieter Arnold overstated the ramp
> theory problems; it is just underestimated by
> mainstream.
>
> Regards
Er - Dieter Arnold IS in the "mainstream".
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Sirfiroth Wrote:
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> This tiny fatal flaw you try and ignore is only
> one of the sticking point with the spiral ramp
> theory. So tell me what kind of materials would
> adhere to the sides of the pyramid with enough
> adhesion to support the weights necessary for the
> largest of stones and hauling gang.
>
Tafl
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cladking Wrote:
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> This is impossible with a spiral ramp. The ramp
> by definition does not lie against every part of
> the cladding so there is no platform to finish the
> cladding. A spiral ramp couldn't cling to even
> rough cladding either but this is a fairly minor
> fatal flaw.
>
Flatly decl
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cladking Wrote:
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> This is impossible with a spiral ramp. The ramp
> by definition does not lie against every part of
> the cladding so there is no platform to finish the
> cladding. A spiral ramp couldn't cling to even
> rough cladding either but this is a fairly minor
> fatal flaw.
>
Here speaks
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cladking Wrote:
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> Are you suggesting then that everything was
> cladded on the way up except where the ramps lay?
> What sort of ramps were used that allowed access
> to the cladding in order to smooth them?
>
Of course not. If ramps were used (and I think they were), they were extended upwards level by level as the
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sansahansan Wrote:
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>... and cladding applied on the way down...
>
Just a slight correction to something that has crept into this thread: IIRC, the theory goes that the cladding (the facing stones) were emplaced course by course on the way up (bottom to top), and dressed on the way down (top to bottom), as the ramp obscuring them w
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