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May 2, 2024, 4:04 am UTC    
June 25, 2008 01:49PM
Colette wrote:
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>Real scientists and astronomers do not look at a lot of this material because it is >classified as amateurs or nuts trying to make a name for themselves and writing their own >history......Real geologists, scientists, and so on, they do not endorse most of any of >this because it is in truth bogus.


I basically agree somewhat with everything you wrote
and am in strong agreement with much of it. This point
I agree with very little.

There are very few generalists in modern times and in the
harder sciences there tends to be even more specialization.
This specialization permeates all aspects of human effort
and study. Even in industry you'll see those who keep the
books, run the equipment, do maintenance, or keep the place
clean. No one knows what anyone else is doing and usually
don't even understand the process which makes the product ex-
cept in how it relates to their own function.

Geology, for instance, is no longer a single discipline where
the practitioners are mostly interchangeable. There are geo-
logists for oil, minerals, plate tectonics, geysers, and a-
bout any other thing you can thing of. Doctors have splint-
ered into more than fifty specialties and it's nearly a full
time job just keeping up in their own. This is great if you
have a known condition since you can find a doctor who an be
of service but if you don't, then it might take years to be di-
agnosed since it can be hard to see the forest for the trees.

Even mathematics has numerous specialties and advanced physics
resembles a branch of math.

There are almost no people who specialize in ancient technology
and the very few who do tend to go back to only about the early
1800's since there's so little known about earlier times. As
knowledge has grown and branched endlessly there has never been
an attempt to preserve the past. You can read books and gain a
lot of insight into second century BC iron production but you are
not going to be able to duplicate it in any real sense nor will
you be able to identify an historical blast furnace and trace its
output or input. There is little attempt to do this or to preserve
current conditions for the future because humans have little inter-
est in such things.

What this boils down to is that the opinions of most scientists
on the bigger questions related to Giza are probably no better
than yours or mine. If a question on schistosomiasis arose then
the opinion of an expert doctor on infectious diseases might be
extremely helpful but he can't tell you any more about how the py-
ramids were built or the health of the ancient Egyptians than any-
one else. He wouldn't know that, but that's the way things work.
Specialists are simply not equipped and mostly incompetent to judge
anything to be bogus that doesn't fall mostly or entirely within
their own field of expertise. Even then it's possible for the ex-
perts to mostly agree and still be wrong.

We're never going to solve the question by having it looked at by
a single discipline and egyptology is no exception. We'll never
solve the problem by excluding those who don't agree with the
styatus quo. We'll never solve the problem at all, perhaps, with-
out a lot more data.

So long as the powers that be exclude generalists and withhold da-
ta it's unlikely that this will be solved anytime soon.

...Unless I'm right, of course. winking smiley

____________
Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.
Subject Author Posted

It's time to discuss Clive's Work.

Don Barone June 25, 2008 10:11AM

Re: I admit I am a skeptic in real life- Clive's Work.

Colette June 25, 2008 12:10PM

Re: I admit I am a skeptic in real life- Clive's Work.

Don Barone June 25, 2008 12:19PM

Re: I admit I am a skeptic in real life- Clive's Work.

cladking June 25, 2008 01:49PM

Re: It's time to discuss Clive's Work.

Don Barone June 25, 2008 12:17PM

Re: It's time to discuss Clive's Work.

bernard June 25, 2008 12:55PM

Re: It's time to discuss Clive's Work.

Don Barone June 25, 2008 01:11PM

Re: It's time to discuss Clive's Work.

Ronald June 27, 2008 02:13AM

Re: It's time to discuss Clive's Work.

Clive June 25, 2008 02:40PM

Re: It's time to discuss Clive's Work.

Don Barone July 03, 2008 08:31PM

Wishfull thinking geometry.

Ronald June 26, 2008 01:29AM

Re: Wishfull thinking geometry.

Pistol June 26, 2008 01:04PM

Re: Wishfull thinking geometry.

Pistol June 26, 2008 03:02PM

Re: Wishfull thinking geometry.

archaeo June 30, 2008 07:43PM

Re: Wishfull thinking geometry.

Don Barone June 26, 2008 07:39PM

Re: Wishfull thinking geometry.

Pistol June 26, 2008 09:21PM

Re: Wishfull thinking geometry.

Ronald June 27, 2008 01:56AM

Re: Wishfull thinking geometry.

Bill Jones June 27, 2008 09:27AM

But working together and peer is how ---

Colette June 27, 2008 02:18PM

Re: But working together and peer is how ---

Don Barone June 28, 2008 07:01AM

Keeping it simple...

Morph June 28, 2008 07:40AM

Re: Keeping it simple...

fmetrol June 28, 2008 12:50PM

Re: Keeping it simple...

Morph June 28, 2008 04:17PM

Re: Keeping it simple...

Don Barone July 01, 2008 12:43PM

Re: Keeping it simple...

Morph July 02, 2008 03:41AM

Solar system schematic.

Morph July 02, 2008 06:19AM

Re: But working together and peer is how ---

Pistol June 29, 2008 07:19AM

Re: Wishfull thinking geometry.

Pistol June 29, 2008 07:27AM

Re: Wishfull thinking geometry.

cladking June 29, 2008 11:38AM

Re: It's time to discuss Clive's Work.

C Wayne Taylor June 28, 2008 09:08AM

Re: It's time to discuss Clive's Work.

MJ Thomas June 29, 2008 06:01PM

Re: It's time to discuss Clive's Work.

cladking June 29, 2008 09:11PM

Re: It's time to discuss Clive's Work.

MJ Thomas June 30, 2008 06:13AM

Re: It's time to discuss Clive's Work.

Robert Bauval June 30, 2008 07:44AM

Re: It's time to discuss Clive's Work.

MJ Thomas June 30, 2008 09:53AM

Re: It's time to discuss Clive's Work.

Don Barone June 30, 2008 06:17PM

Re: It's time to discuss Clive's Work.

archaeo June 30, 2008 07:47PM

Re: It's time to discuss Clive's Work.

cladking June 30, 2008 09:24PM

Re: It's time to discuss Clive's Work.

Don Barone July 01, 2008 08:04AM

A Continuation: It's time to discuss Clive's Work.

Don Barone July 01, 2008 08:11AM

A bit of my own: It's time to discuss Clive's Work.

Don Barone July 01, 2008 08:25AM

Re: It's time to discuss Clive's Work.

Ogygos July 13, 2008 05:29PM

I quit reading this after the big error

archaeo June 30, 2008 07:30PM

Re: I quit reading this after the big error

Don Barone June 30, 2008 10:01PM

Re: I quit reading this after the big error

C Wayne Taylor July 01, 2008 05:34AM

Re: I quit reading this after the big error

archaeo July 01, 2008 06:38AM

Re: I quit reading this after the big error

Don Barone July 01, 2008 07:29AM



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