ealdred Wrote:
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> It is not true that Atlantis originates with Plato
> as often said.

Contrary to what you say, Atlantis did originate with Plato.

> While it is true that Plato's text
> is the source of all subsequent Atlantology, the
> Atlantis Account itself says that the story came
> from Atlantis to Egyptian
> inscriptions/records/tradition to Sonchis to Solon
> and some generations of passing down to the person
> who told a group of people that included Plato.

There is no separate Atlantis Account. The only account there is was invented by Plato himself.

> Also there are some Egyptian sources that might be
> the original source such as the Medinet Habu story
> of the Sea Peoples. There are also some other
> Egyptian or other nations' sources that might also
> match.

You might want to have a look at this post on another forum.

> And assuming the story is true

If Plato made it up - which he did - then there cannot be any basis for this assumption.

there
> will/must be other sources which will eventually
> be proven/known to match. Herodotus called the
> Atlantic ocean/sea the Atlantic before Plato
> though after Solon. In the Atlantis Account the
> speakers say a few times that it is true history.

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The oldest known mentions of an "Atlantic" sea come from Stesichorus around mid-sixth century BC (Sch. A. R. 1. 211):[7] Atlantikôi pelágei ( ,,, English: 'the Atlantic sea'; etym. 'Sea of Atlantis') and in The Histories of Herodotus around 450 BC (Hdt. 1.202.4): Atlantis thalassa (Greek: ... English: 'Sea of Atlantis' or 'the Atlantis sea'[8]) where the name refers to "the sea beyond the pillars of Heracles" which is said to be part of the sea that surrounds all land.[9] In these uses, the name refers to Atlas, the Titan in Greek mythology, who supported the heavens [en.wikipedia.org]

> Atlantis was not in "the Mediterranean waters".
> The Atlantis Account (and also other accounts of
> Siculus etc) clearly says Atlantis was distant,
> and was outside the Pillars and in the real ocean
> not in the small Mediterranean indentation, etc.
> They were "invaders", conquered upto Tyrrhenia and
> Egypt/Libya (implied from west of them). Atlas was
> in westernmost Africa.
>
> People should first objectively and thoroughly
> look to see if there is (or isn't) a match in
> world & history for all the details in the text
> without bending, instead of just discarding a
> source as supposedly unreliable. I've done this
> with various sources like the bible, the Atlantis
> Account, Herodotus, Nennius, etc and I found that
> they do have good matches in history contrary to
> assertions that they are "unreliable" etc.
>
> There can only be One true best match for Atlantis
> in world & history.

Yes. And it resided in Plato's imagination.

Though it is possible that the
> compilers of the Account may have combined in some
> other traditions like the Flood of the Biblical
> world. Some people often use a criticism that
> supposedly a person or place in a text can be
> found in many places anywhere, but again if the
> text is true then there can only be one best true
> match in the world and history.
>
> My findings were that Tiahuanaco & Peru & South
> America have many stark matches with most of the
> details of the Atlantis Account. Unfortunately
> some people keep refusing to accept it as even
> possible because they keep harping on just a few
> points of disbelief/dispute/doubt such as they say
> Atlantis sunk but Andes is high or rose, and they
> claim the distance is too great and "people first
> attack neighbors", and one or two other similar
> sorts of ideas, though I tried to show answers to
> most of the criticisms they come up with but they
> just ignore/dismiss/dispute and keep harping on
> them. I suppose its not very good just putting the
> correspondence forward here with out giving all
> the details matches, but there really is a massive
> amount of text I'd have to post.

Please note that we discourage the posting of long sections of text on Ma'at, and suggest that links would be preferable.

If anyone wants
> to know more I'll have to remember/find where I
> posted my last revised edition of my
> paper/article, and/or I could try post some
> matches evidences here.
>
> (An extra addition to the Tiahuanaco thesis is
> that the Great City of "Asshur" may match both
> Atlantis city and Tiahuanaco. I've just posted a
> rough piece about this on the Early Writings
> Biblical history and criticism forum.)

Here, presumably - [earlywritings.com].

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