November 27, 2009 04:20PM
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Ogygos: "If we consider the reasonable epoch 2550 BC, the latest shaft angle measurements lead to an error in regards to Mintaka of only 0.12 degrees. On the other hand though the error in regards to Thuban is whopping 1.62 degrees. This is too large in my opinion. Also the question that comes to mind, is why align the shaft to Mintaka and not the brighter Alnilam or Alnitak? Mintaka being a double star has a combined magnitude of 2.23. This would place it somewhere around the 63rd place equal to Lambda Velorum and Etamin. Thuban is significantly fainter at 3.647. Is Khufu's pyramid significanlty older or younger, or does a valid star shaft theory simply not exist?"
Robert Bauval's upper shaft alignments are not with Mintaka, but with Alnitak in the southern, and Thuban in the northern sky.
Badway's earlier upper shaft alignments are with the 3-star asterism in the centre of Orion, and with Thuban.
Alexander Badawy, a specialist in the ancient Egyptian language, and architecture, wrote one of the standard, classic books on ancient Egyptian architecture. He linked the upper shafts of Khufu's Akhet, with the circumpolar stars and Orion:
"In the North and South walls (of the burial chamber) are the apertures, similar to those of the middle chamber, of channels square in section, cut out of one stone and roofed with a slab. They are sloping upwards to reach the North and South faces of the pyramid, at the same level and have accordingly different gradients: 31 degs for the northern and 45 degs for the southern. They are usually thought to be ventilation-channels, but would be better be considered as open ways for the king's soul to reach the circumpolar stars to the North and the Orion constellation, to the South." ('A History of Egyptian Architecture', Badawy 1954: 138)
Badawy followed this up with a 1964 paper, 'The Stellar Destiny of Pharoah and the So-Called Air-Shafts of Cheops' Pyramid' (in MIOAVB, band X, 1964: 189-206), and in her accompanying article, 'Astronomical investigation concerning the so-called air-shafts of Cheop's pyramid' (in MIOAVB, band X, 1964: 183-7), the astronomer Virginia Trimble (unfortunately using a wrong 44.5 deg angle of incline for the upper south shaft, and a vague "about 31 degrees" for the north shaft, in her calculations), showed that Orion's 'belt' "...passed once each day, at culmination directly over the southern shaft of the Great Pyramid at the time it was built".
Using the correct angles of incline for the top ends of the shafts (45 degs for the south and 31.2 degs for the north - obtained from Gantenbrink's survey) that tell us what areas of the sky they top ends were actually facing, I dated both upper shafts to c.2570 BC, which is consistent with the dates for Khufu's reign given in 'The Oxford History of Ancient Egypt' 2000: 480. This is compelling circumstantial evidence for a link to the northern Imperishable Stars (referred to as Akhs in the PTs), specifically Thuban, the then Pole / North Star, and with Orion, a large distinctive constellation crossing the southern sky, identified by scholars with the ancient Egyptian deity, Sah (sAH), who in the earliest Pyramid Texts is 'Father of the Gods', and was the deity who gave the king his authority to become the greatest controlling power in the sky.
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