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January 29, 2008 08:12AM
I never said anyone was a Nubian Queen.

And I think you made a mistake in saying we don't know who the great wife of Amenhotep III was.

The first great royal wife and "Queen Mother" of the 18th dynasty was Ahmose Nefertari and she was indeed painted black. But I never said that being painted black meant being "nubian". I said it represents renewal from the South, rebirth of the seed and regeneration from the South.

Out of all the Queens and consorts of Mentuhotep, many have been labelled, by Europeans, as being "Nubian" because of being portrayed in a black complexion. They most likely were just Southern women, either from Egypt or maybe even further south. One notable example is Ashait, who is even labeled as an Ethiopian. So he seems to have surrounded himself with women from the south to renew the royal line.

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Ashait
11th Dynasty
Ashait was the wife of Mentuhotpe II who ruled during the 11th Dynasty. They were buried together in his very elaborate complex at Deir el-Bahri at Thebes. Reliefs in her tomb apparently show that she was Ethiopian of Negress. In her coffin, a hymn was found about the four winds which come from the four corners of the earth and are brought to Egypt by mythical maidens.
From: [www.touregypt.net]

Queens list for 11th dynasty:

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Eleventh Dynasty

Neferukhayet: She was the wife of Inyotef II.
Aoh: She was a consort of Inyotef III. The mother of Mentuhotpe II. She was depicted with her royal son on a stela.
Heniteconfused smileyhe was the wife of Inyotef III.
Henhenit: She was the wife of Mentuhotpe II and was buried in a vast mortuary complex of the King at Deir El-Bahri.
Neferu: She was the Chief wife of Mentuhotpe II.
Kawit: She was a royal companion of Mentuhotpe II. Her royal tomb contains beautiful and elaborate scenes of her toilet rituals! Her sarcophagus describes her as the "Sole Favorite of the King".
Tem: She was a wife of Mentuhotpe II and believed to be the mother of Mentuhotpe III. Her tomb is one of the largest female grave sites ever found.The sarcophagus in her burial chamber was made of alabaster and sandstone.
Sadekconfused smileyhe was a lesser wife of Mentuhotpe II.
Ashait: She was a wife of Mentuhotpe II. She was buried with the King in his eleborate mortuary complex at Deir El-Bahri. Her tomb reliefs identify her as an Ethiopian. On her coffin, there was a beautiful hymn inscribed about the four winds which were brought to Egypt by mythical maidens.
Nubkhas: She was a consort of Mentuhotpe II. Her tomb was discovered at Deir El-Bahri enclosed by boulders and rubble, probably the result of a landslide in ancient times.
Kemsit: She was a royal companion of Mentuhotpe II. She was buried in the Kings' mortuary complex and was described on her sarcophagus as 'Sole Favorite of the King" she shared this title with many other consorts that were buried there.
Neferukayt: She was a wife of Mentuhotpe II and the daughter of Princess Nebt who was the heiress of the Elephantine (an island in the Aswan). She was a highly educated woman and kept and extensive library of papyri and artworks in a huge museum.Imi:In some records, she is called Yem. She was a wife of Mentuhotpe III and the mother of his son, Mentuhotpe IV.
Amunet: In some records she is also called Amuniet. She was a consort of Mentuhotpe II, and was buried in his royal mortuary complex at Deir El-Bahri.
From: [www.angelfire.com]

All of these women are noted also as being priestesses of Hathor, which signifies motherhood and nurturing.

Again, this symbolism of black skin color of the wives and Mentuhotep himself can only mean renewal, from the south and the production of children.

Hence we see Mentuhotep as a child colored in black suckling on the goddess, symbolic of the renewal of the line and the rebirth of the seed and victory over chaos, from the fertile black madonna, mother of the earth:


(This image is public domain and posted from flickr: [www.flickr.com])

And this is only the eleventh dynasty. In the 12th you have another line from the south in Amenemhat and Senwosret. Amenemhat is famous for the prophecies of Neferti, which "fortell" the rise of a new king from the South.

[www.touregypt.net]

Sesostris I:

(public domain from: [www.flickr.com])



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