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October 17, 2007 03:58AM
rich Wrote:
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> I have explicitly made this suggestion in the
> past. Additionally, the Destruction of Mankind
> Myth, aka Celestial Cow of Heaven, mentions
> Greeks.
>
Quote:[www.touregypt.net]
> nd.htm
> "Moreover, I give thee to drive back (anan) the
> Ha-nebu"

This is a charge which Ra gives to Thoth - not to the Celestial Cow of Heaven (or hence, flood)...this is the full quote from the TourEgypt site:

"AND THE MAJESTY OF THIS GOD SAID, "Call to me the god Thoth," and one brought the god to him forthwith. And the Majesty of this god said unto Thoth...Moreover, I give thee [Power] to embrace (anh) the two heavens with thy beauties, and with thy rays of light; therefore shall come into being the Moon-god (Aah) of Thoth. Moreover, I give thee [power] to drive back (anan) the Ha-nebu; therefore shall come into being the dog-headed Ape (anan) of Thoth, and he shall act as governor for me. Moreover, thou art now in my place in the sight of all those who see thee and who present offerings to thee, and every being shall ascribe praise unto thee, O thou who art God."

> I am well aware that there is a lot of complex
> symbology and mythology found in the tale that
> seems to date back to the Pyramid Texts, from a
> much earlier time. From Katherine's previous
> topic on Neith, she connects Mehetweret with a
> great flood at a much earlier time.
>
Quote:Neith: "She is also called such cosmic
> epithets as the "Cow of Heaven," a sky-goddess
> similar to Nut and as the Great Flood, Mehetweret
> (MHt wr.t), who gives birth to the sun daily [3]."
>
> Avoiding the topic of Atlantis... I would love to
> here some thoughts or analysis on this myth.

But this has nothing to do with a "flood myth" in ancient Egypt. The /mHt wr.t/ is the "great Flood" which brought all existence, including the sun, into being. Hence, it's viewed very positively, and is not linked with the destruction of previous land(s). The /mHt wr.t/is also linked to Nun, the inert cosmic waters, and by moving these waters, thus causing the act of creation, she is seen as a positive force.

> Note1: This is an incomplete line of research for
> me, and so it is not mentioned on my website.
> Note2: Hypothetically, if I could connect Myrine
> from Cerne to MeryNei(t) from Qurneh(Thebes), then
> it may be possible to re-combine the Diodorus
> Siculus tradition with Plato. (final t was not
> pronounced sometimes, right Katherine?) (also
> incomplete)

I personally think you are on the wrong track, since Cerne, the home of Myrina, queen of the Amazons, is established in other classical texts as an island off the western coast of Libya (we are talking about the Libyan Amazons, after all). The island of Cerne is mentioned in ancient works such as Periplus or the Voyage of Hanno, which talks about the establishment of a colony on the island by the Phoenicians.

This text predates its 3rd century BCE Greek version, but there's little doubt that Cerne is not Qurna/Thebes, since a) Thebes was not even a town during the Old Kingdom, as Thebes arose to prominence in the 11th Dynasty, some 1000 years after the death of Merneith, who ruled from Saqqara with her husband Djer in the 1st Dynasty, about 3000 BCE.

Finally, b) since the term "Qurna" comes from the Arabic word for the mountain upon which the modern village of Gurna/Qurna exists, meaning "the horn" in reference to the mountain on the Western Bank of the Nile across from Thebes, I can't see any reasonable etymology which makes the ancient Libyan island of Cerne = Qurna (terms separated by yet another 600-1000 years from one another in etymology, and from far different language sources).

HTH.

Katherine Griffis-Greenberg

Doctoral Candidate
Oriental Institute
Doctoral Programme in Oriental Studies [Egyptology]
Oxford University
Oxford, United Kingdom

Subject Author Posted

Are myths based on reality? I'd say yes....

Rick Baudé October 14, 2007 10:18PM

Re: Are myths based on reality? I'd say yes....

Anthony October 15, 2007 11:38AM

Re: Are myths based on reality? I'd say yes....

Rick Baudé October 15, 2007 08:20PM

Re: Are myths based on reality? I'd say yes....

Katherine Griffis-Greenberg October 16, 2007 02:29PM

Re: Are myths based on reality? I'd say yes....

Rick Baudé October 16, 2007 08:39PM

Re: Are myths based on reality? I'd say yes....

rich October 16, 2007 10:53PM

Re: Are myths based on reality? I'd say yes....

Rick Baudé October 16, 2007 11:21PM

Is there a myth of Atlantis?

Doug Weller October 17, 2007 04:03AM

Re: Is there a myth of Atlantis?

Hermione October 17, 2007 04:20AM

Re: Is there a myth of Atlantis?

Doug Weller October 17, 2007 05:05AM

Re: Is there a myth of Atlantis?

Hermione October 17, 2007 06:21AM

Re: Are myths based on reality? I'd say yes....

rich October 16, 2007 11:55PM

Re: Are myths based on reality? I'd say yes....

Katherine Griffis-Greenberg October 17, 2007 03:58AM

Re: Are myths based on reality? I'd say yes....

rich October 17, 2007 12:17PM

Re: Are myths based on reality? I'd say yes....

Pete Clarke October 16, 2007 02:44PM

Excellent point

Anthony October 16, 2007 04:22PM

Re: Excellent point

Warwick L Nixon October 16, 2007 05:53PM

Re: Excellent point

Jammer October 17, 2007 12:40PM

Re: Are myths based on reality? I'd say yes....

cladking October 15, 2007 09:31PM

Re: Are myths based on reality? I'd say yes....

rich October 15, 2007 10:01PM

Re: Are myths based on reality? I'd say yes....

rich October 17, 2007 08:30AM

Re: Are myths based on reality? I'd say yes....

rich October 17, 2007 09:33AM

Re: Are myths based on reality? I'd say yes....

Byrd October 17, 2007 05:27PM

Re: Are myths based on reality? I'd say yes....

rich October 25, 2007 01:54PM



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