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May 5, 2024, 10:01 am UTC    
April 21, 2005 05:25PM
> Yes, civilisations come and go, but free educated civilisation moves elsewhere
> when the collapse comes, and regroups elsewhere.

..but, of course, I don't see it that way!!!

Common reality (cibilization) is always an intersection of various group realities and like any other natural "food chain" there is always some group or groups that are a lot more pre-dominant than others...

Therefore, during breakdown periods, the re-organization of group reality into a new common reality is done in accordance to certain forces and not on a random basis or by chance as you usually like to imply!!!

When you say that "free educated civilisation moves elsewhere" is not the case at all! When a prior civlization breakdown, it breaksdown in terms of all of its associated socio-economic systems. What then survives are the species and their associated personal reality and the various smaller group realities that end-up surviving like families, gangs, cults, religion, etc...

Your denial of this process still does not change how it really works...

In other words, there is no evidence of any such thing as "free educated civilization" since the old surviving group usually tend to go underground into all kinds of much smaller and private cults, micro-societies, etc, etc...

Educated individuals and/or groups that survive may not be able to re-establish the old ways and usually don't since the new generations are no longer subjected to the old socio-economic dynamics which end-up dying with the older generation of the survivors...

IMHO, all evidence points to the processes that I have just described...

-wirelessguru1
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