February 14, 2005 06:27PM
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Registered: 19 years ago
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Hi Tommi,
It's good to see you posting again, btw
> > However, a proven correlation does not prove
> > causation, which I think was Anthony's
> point.
>
>
> We may very well agree with this, I'm not all
> that
> familiar with the english terms used.
>
> However, oversimplificating the matter as Anthonys
> analogy doesn't
> help, I think.
Agreed. Analogies often cause more confusion than clarification.
> There is not just the correlation which has been
> proven.
>
> How do you prove gravity, if you say that the
> correlation between the
> acceleration of the particle with the mass of the
> particle does
> not prove causation?
The fallacy that Anthony was invoking involves proving a cause by positive or negative correlation. A better analogy here is that of a high positive correlation between the grass getting green in the spring in the northern hemisphere and the birds returning. As the grass gets greener, the birds become more frequent. As the birds become more frequent, the grass gets greener. That's the high positive correlation. Neither the returning birds nor the greening grass causes the other. Both the greening grass and the returning birds are caused by the arrival of spring, which is caused the movement of the earth toward the sun.
I'm confused by your question about gravity.
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