Lee Olsen Wrote:
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> Rick Baudé Wrote:
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> > > Add up the number of Homo individuals
> found
> > in
> > > California = zero, a bedtime story.
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> > Add up the number of individuals that have
> been
> > found at Olduvai gorge zero.
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> FALSE, another bedtime story. It took .54 seconds
> for Google to find this Hominin at Olduvai:

Please. It's too easy. Remember post hoc ergo propter hoc? Let me translate it into english for you then. CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION. So they found a hominim skull there, big deal. How many other fossils did they find there? Did they rule out antelope? Hippos? Rhinos? No? Why not? That skull could have washed in from someplace else a thousand years later. It could have been the left overs from a leopard kill. Did they rule that out? No.
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> Another .48 seconds for Homo habilis and from
> there thousands of unequivocal tools and other
> bifaces right down to 130,000 years ago (plus down
> to today). All the conditions for continuous
> hominin use legal in a court of law at Olduvai
> Gorge have been met. Zero for Cerutti and
> California until Arlington Man along with hundreds
> of unequivocal formal artifacts for independent
> verification.

Again correlation does not equal causation. How do you know Homo habilis made them? Did you see him make them? No. Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Wouldn't stand up in a court of law for a second.
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> Add up the Old World, like all of it (instead of
> cutting out 99.9% of it) and you get hundreds of
> individuals.

So you get hundreds of individuals that supposedly made tens of thousands of tools over a multi-million year period? Oh please, what did they live to be 100,000 years old? What were they doing making bifaces every day of the week. Did you rule out construction equipment on site making them? How about plate tectonic activity that could have ground them up? No. Giant gorillas from the highland spreading out across the african plains? An extinct chimp that we don't know about that just happened to make tools (ALA the giant capuchin monkeys that made cerrutti). Or how about your beloved zombies?

Did anybody do controlled experiments using double blind studies with repeatable results? No? why not?


> No one is arguing honinins were not in the Old
> World. At around 130,000 years ago the OW has
> hundreds of hominin skeletal parts, tens of
> thousands of formal stone tools, and billons of
> flakes, while N and S America zero during that
> time.

So how much has actually been done looking for them? How many budding anthropologists are going to stake their careers on that? In today's hyper-competitive job market I sure as hell wouldn't. I would be singing in the 'clovis only' choir. So N=0.


/Alaska twins/Arlington Man skeletons (all
> roughly 13,000 yr. old or a little less) and from
> there back to 7,000,000 years ago (the arguably
> 1st Old World hominin) and you get a GIANT zero
> for the Americas.
> That flunks the governments rules for allowable
> gaps in the record and flunks the Frye and Daubers
> tests for court of law evidence and so does the
> 117,000 year Cerutti gap. Still zero tools, zero
> skeletal material, zero DNA support for Cerutti.

And just look at what happened at Cerutti. The establishment rose up en masse to blast it.