<HTML>Duncan,
No need to split hairs, I let my question,
<Could you be so kind, sir, as to shed light on my ignorance of modern <abiogenesis or autogenesis theories?
take on an uncalled for sarcasm.
To answer your question:
<Is this a positional statement regarding your own beliefs?
While not intended as a positional statement, I'm sure my position is quite obvious.
My position in regards to evolution/creation lies in the seemingly unsolveable riddle of what came first, the creator or the creation? Or, leave the creator out of it, where/when/how did matter/energy initially come to be?
I don't discount evolution out of hand. It is an endlessly fascinating subject.
<i>But, given the possibilities that lie in a thorough mastery of space/time and physics <b>as WE understand it today<b/>, I don't think it is being unduely imaginative or speculative to suppose there COULD be an individual that HAS the capabilities to engineer space/time.<i/>
We, as finite beings find it very hard to imagine infinity. What came BEFORE the big bang? And before that?
We will very likely have to attain the aforementioned mastery ourselves to answer this enigma.
<The irony of this position lies in the axiomatic nature of the foundations of ALL knowledge.
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but aren't there basic axioms that are unproveable at the base of all science and math? Axioms that must be accepted on faith.
<Modern theories on abiogenesis do not require the spontaneous <generation of
<proteins but even so the probability of amino acids randomly forming
<proteins is not as unlikely as you indicate.
I didn't indicate anything, Francis Crick did.
<Excerpts from an editorial posted at townhall.com by Marvin Olasky
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<DNA co-discoverer <b>Francis Crick<b/> calculated the possibility of a <simple protein sequence of 200 amino acids (much simpler than a DNA <molecule) originating spontaneously, his figure was 10 with 260 zeroes <after it.
And,
<How about calculating the probability that there is an intelligent
<designer responsible for creating life?
I don't have the tools or knowledge to calculate this probability.
I will read up at the links you have given me, Duncan. I AM an open minded person, not given to accepting ANYTHING at face value.
Evolution seems to be a popular subject around this board. Has there been much discussion about <b>"Darwin's Black Box, The Bio-Chemical Challenge to Evolution"<b/> by Michael Behe? If so, what do you think, and if not, why not?
Thank You
John van der Laar</HTML>
