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September 03, 2001 11:17AM
<HTML>Excerpts from an editorial posted at townhall.com by Marvin Olasky

[www.townhall.com]

[Roger Penrose, who helped to develop black-hole theories, estimated as one in one hundred billion to the 123rd power the odds of a Big Bang producing by accident an orderly universe as opposed to chaos.

Big Bang theorists argue that the universe, one second after its purported start, had to expand at a rate rapid enough to keep in check the gravitational attraction of galaxies. Stephen Hawking has noted that if the rate of expansion had been smaller by an infinitesimal amount, the universe would have collapsed.

What about the origin of life? A chance of one out of 1,000,000,000,000,000 is considered a virtual impossibility, but when DNA co-discoverer Francis Crick calculated the possibility of a simple protein sequence of 200 amino acids (much simpler than a DNA molecule) originating spontaneously, his figure was 10 with 260 zeroes after it.

John Blanchard, in "Does God Believe in Atheists?" quotes useful analogies about the likelihood of the universe allowing for the existence of life: "Hitting a target an inch wide on the other side of the observable universe, or expecting a pole-vaulter's pole to remain standing, poised on its tip, for centuries following his vault."

Those who remember one past fad will appreciate British scientist Fred Hoyle's view of the odds against evolved life. "Anyone with even a nodding acquaintance with the Rubik cube," he wrote, "will concede the near impossibility of a solution being obtained by a blind person moving the cube faces at random. Now imagine 10 to the fiftieth blind persons (standing shoulder to shoulder, these would more than fill our entire planetary system) each with a scrambled Rubik cube simultaneously arriving at the solved form."

Hoyle's best-known analogy has a tornado in a junkyard taking all the pieces of metal lying there and turning them into a Boeing 747. It would be amazing, but possible, for two pieces to be naturally welded together, and then two pieces more in a later whirlwind, but production of even a simple organic molecule would require all of the pieces to come together at one time.

Three decades ago, Frank Salisbury of Utah State University described the odds this way: "Imagine one hundred million trillion planets, each with an ocean with lots of DNA fragments that reproduce one million times per second, with a mutation occurring each time. In four billion years, it would still take trillions of universes to produce a single gene -- if they got lucky."

During these recent decades, however, the odds have not inhibited the true believers in evolution. Or are they true believers in avoiding at all costs the alternative? The late science-fiction writer Isaac Asimov acknowledged that he did not "have the information to prove that God doesn't exist," ]

I have not checked out the source of the quotes. Some will argue the scientists cited are biased by their beliefs.

The irony of this position lies in the axiomatic nature of the foundations of ALL knowledge.</HTML>
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An example of evolution

Katherine Reece August 30, 2001 04:06PM

Re: An example of evolution

Don Barone August 30, 2001 08:18PM

Re: An example of evolution

Katherine Reece August 31, 2001 12:19AM

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Anonymous User August 31, 2001 04:35AM

Re: An example of evolution

Claire August 31, 2001 05:13AM

Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Don Barone August 31, 2001 05:30AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Claire August 31, 2001 05:53AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Mikey Brass August 31, 2001 06:17AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Claire August 31, 2001 06:25AM

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Don Barone August 31, 2001 06:28AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Mikey Brass August 31, 2001 06:34AM

To Mikey:

Don Barone August 31, 2001 06:34AM

Re: To Mikey:

Mikey Brass August 31, 2001 06:39AM

Re: To Mikey:

Anonymous User August 31, 2001 06:55AM

Re: To Mikey:

Mikey Brass August 31, 2001 07:16AM

Re: To Mikey:

Anonymous User August 31, 2001 07:27AM

Re: To Mikey:

Mikey Brass August 31, 2001 08:34AM

To Duncan:

Don Barone August 31, 2001 06:33PM

Re: To Duncan:

Mikey Brass August 31, 2001 06:55PM

Re: To Duncan:

Don Barone August 31, 2001 07:16PM

Re: To Duncan:

Mikey Brass August 31, 2001 07:26PM

My last word ... Honest.

Don Barone August 31, 2001 08:06PM

Re: My last word ... Honest.

Mikey Brass September 01, 2001 08:24AM

Re: To Duncan:

Anonymous User September 03, 2001 05:05AM

Thanks for the reply ...

Don Barone September 03, 2001 06:02AM

Re: Thanks for the reply ...

Michael Brass September 03, 2001 06:16AM

It isn't ?

Don Barone September 03, 2001 06:30AM

Re: It isn't ?

Michael Brass September 03, 2001 06:35AM

Re: It isn't ?

Don Barone September 03, 2001 07:13AM

Re: It isn't ?

Michael Brass September 03, 2001 07:17AM

Re: It isn't ?

Anonymous User September 03, 2001 07:23AM

Don - link on abiogenesis

Anonymous User September 03, 2001 08:51AM

Re: Thanks for the reply ...

Anonymous User September 03, 2001 07:16AM

Re: Thanks for the reply ...

Michael Brass September 03, 2001 07:20AM

Re: Thanks for the reply ...

Anonymous User September 03, 2001 07:29AM

Thank You Gentleman !

Don Barone September 03, 2001 08:26AM

Re: Thank You Gentleman !

Anonymous User September 03, 2001 08:36AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Anonymous User August 31, 2001 07:21AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Mikey Brass August 31, 2001 06:31AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Anonymous User August 31, 2001 06:53AM

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Claire August 31, 2001 06:57AM

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Anonymous User August 31, 2001 06:46AM

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Mikey Brass August 31, 2001 06:11AM

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Anthony August 31, 2001 06:41AM

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Mikey Brass August 31, 2001 06:50AM

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Paul Mattock August 31, 2001 07:38AM

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Claire August 31, 2001 07:51AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Anonymous User August 31, 2001 08:18AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Claire August 31, 2001 08:27AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Adam August 31, 2001 08:32AM

LOL

Claire August 31, 2001 08:36AM

Embarrased as usual

Adam August 31, 2001 09:01AM

Re: Embarrased as usual

Claire August 31, 2001 09:17AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Claire August 31, 2001 08:33AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Mercury Rapids August 31, 2001 12:31PM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Mikey Brass September 01, 2001 06:27PM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Adam August 31, 2001 07:58AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Anonymous User August 31, 2001 08:13AM

You may already be a Winner!

Anthony August 31, 2001 12:26PM

Re: You may already be a Winner!

Anonymous User September 03, 2001 04:09AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

lone August 31, 2001 04:09PM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Mikey Brass August 31, 2001 04:54PM

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lone August 31, 2001 05:16PM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Stephen Tonkin September 01, 2001 12:31AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

lone September 01, 2001 01:06AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Stephen Tonkin September 01, 2001 07:34AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Claire August 31, 2001 06:54AM

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Anonymous User August 31, 2001 06:44AM

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Adam August 31, 2001 07:02AM

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Anonymous User August 31, 2001 07:14AM

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Adam August 31, 2001 07:35AM

1 down 89 to go:

Don Barone August 31, 2001 06:57AM

Re: 1 down 89 to go:

Anonymous User August 31, 2001 07:04AM

Re: 1 down 89 to go:

Mikey Brass August 31, 2001 07:13AM

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Mikey Brass August 31, 2001 07:11AM

DNA decoded ? What a joke.

lone August 31, 2001 03:44PM

Re: DNA decoded ? What a joke.

Mikey Brass August 31, 2001 04:56PM

Re: DNA decoded ? What a joke.

lone August 31, 2001 05:19PM

Re: DNA decoded ? What a joke.

Deano September 02, 2001 06:54PM

Re: DNA decoded ? What a joke.

Anonymous User September 03, 2001 05:21AM

Re: DNA decoded ? What a joke.

lone September 04, 2001 11:38PM

Re: DNA decoded ? What a joke.

Anonymous User September 05, 2001 11:31AM

Re: DNA decoded ? What a joke.

lone September 05, 2001 08:15PM

Re: DNA decoded ? What a joke.

Anonymous User September 06, 2001 04:16AM

Read your own definition

Anthony August 31, 2001 02:15PM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

D.Przezdziecki September 01, 2001 08:26AM

&quot;Bully for Brontosaurus: and other bedtime stories:

Don Barone September 01, 2001 08:40AM

LOL I sure can Don

D.Przezdziecki September 01, 2001 10:45AM

*smiling * Not a good start ...

Don Barone September 01, 2001 12:19PM

On The Origins of Richard Dawkins

Don Barone September 01, 2001 12:36PM

Re: &quot;Bully for Brontosaurus: and other bedtime stories:

Anonymous User September 03, 2001 05:25AM

Re: &quot;Bully for Brontosaurus: and other bedtime stories:

Don Barone September 03, 2001 06:05AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

J.H.v.d.Laar September 03, 2001 11:17AM

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Anonymous User September 03, 2001 11:57AM

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J.H.v.d.Laar September 04, 2001 09:31PM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Anonymous User September 05, 2001 11:34AM

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Anonymous User September 05, 2001 12:54PM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

J.H.v.d.Laar September 05, 2001 06:48PM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

J.H.v.d.Laar September 05, 2001 06:54PM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Anonymous User September 06, 2001 04:00AM

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Mikey Brass September 06, 2001 05:11AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

J.H.v.d.Laar September 05, 2001 08:24PM

Re: An example of evolution

jameske August 31, 2001 11:16PM

Re: An example of evolution

Mikey Brass September 01, 2001 08:19AM

Re: An example of evolution

Don Barone September 01, 2001 08:25AM

Re: An example of evolution

Mikey Brass September 01, 2001 12:19PM

Just Curious Mike:

Don Barone September 02, 2001 10:23AM

Re: Just Curious Mike:

Mercury Rapids September 02, 2001 05:59PM

Re: Just Curious Mike:

Deano September 02, 2001 06:33PM

Re: Just Curious Mike:

Mercury Rapids September 03, 2001 09:17AM

Sure, Don...

Anthony September 02, 2001 09:04PM

Re: Sure, Don...

Mikey Brass September 03, 2001 02:17AM

Re: Just Curious Mike:

Anonymous User September 03, 2001 05:40AM

Re: An example of evolution

Anonymous User September 03, 2001 05:29AM

To Duncan and Mikey

Don Barone September 03, 2001 06:13AM

Re: To Duncan and Mikey

Anonymous User September 03, 2001 07:07AM

Re: To Duncan and Mikey

Michael Brass September 03, 2001 09:49AM

Re: To Duncan and Mikey

Don Barone September 03, 2001 01:59PM

Re: To Duncan and Mikey

Mikey Brass September 03, 2001 04:13PM

Re: To Duncan and Mikey

Mercury Rapids September 03, 2001 05:00PM

Re: To Duncan and Mikey

Mikey Brass September 03, 2001 05:10PM

Re: An example of evolution

J.H.v.d.Laar September 03, 2001 11:35AM



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